l0rca

(I don't know how to embed videos here, so if someone wants to edit this thread or yell at how lazy I am to not look it up in a PM, go right ahead.)

This is the Whizzer:

YouTube - luta olimpica - whizzer 2

The guy in blue throws it in at five seconds with his right arm; the whizzer is used to leverage another person's arm to help spin behind them, and it's usually accompanied by a sprawl. Yes, it's really that simple, basically a "reverse underhook". The guy in blue uses the whizzer to throw the other guy past him as he puts his weight down with it. He then quickly takes top control.

Usually beginner wrestlers are told to take neck and hand control with their sprawls, in order to help break the opponent's grip on their legs. The whizzer is helpful to ward off single legs, as you can use your weight on their arm to help control their leverage on whichever side they're trying to plow through.

(Neck control is basically shoving one's forearm or the webbing of the thumb/index finger into the back of the neck while defending from a takedown. It's probably one of the most basic and essential defense mechanisms for a takedown. You're probably always going to put pressure on someone's neck to get their head lower than their back. In a MMA/fight context, you can use neck control to try to encourage your opponent to raise their neck high enough for a guillotine choke- apply pressure with the webbing of your hand, then slip the choke around when you feel the resistance.)

I can't find a video for a face cake. The move is done from once you have a whizzer, if the opponent tries to stand up in close distance while you're leveraged off to his side (the side you have the whizzer on). With the face cake, you turn in to face the opponent while violently throwing your other forearm into their face, in a clothesline fashion, driving through with your hips turning, taking them towards the ground in what ends up looking like a hip-toss. From here it's an automatic side mount, but if they're stunned it should be pretty easy to go full mount. In fact it's probably a very safe bet that they're stunned, which would make training for an immediate full mount something practical from the face cake.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3

everyone knows what a whizzer is

Tant01

ALMOST everyone....

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Tant01

Thanks for trying l0rca.

Whizzer, eh? so, the single (deep) overhook or getting it is the "whizzer"? Where did the name "Whizzer" come from? Seems like a silly word for it?

This is a basic defense to a single or double leg... What about using it with some twisting of the torso to add torque? That might help you get BY him and take his back?

Is it defensive or offensive? How many ways can you use it (or variations of it)?

What do YOU do with it?

Thanks all.

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jubaji

You need to look under 'pancake.' Never heard it called 'face cake' before.

Something like this:


YouTube - JHOP (Jonesboro House of Pancakes)

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Mike Brewer

Good vid, Jubaji! That one was pretty brutal.

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crazy move, a hard cross face

jubaji

Not so crazy. Its pretty basic stuff. Like a lot of things, its a matter of getting your opponent to overcommit in one direction and then having the right timing.

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jubaji

The overhook itself is the whizzer. No idea where the name came from.

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jubaji

You can use it to set up a lot of counters and things, as you've seen. Once you've sprawled it can be used with a crossface and concentration of your body weight to control the opponent.

Bear in mind that often the side you've got the whizzer on will be the side your opponent may have partial control of one of your legs so getting behind isn't always so easy, but if you can stop the momentum and control the position even for a moment you can start working some counters and put yourself in a better position to score.

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Britt

That looks cool as hell! Can you break down the play-by-play for us wrestling laymen?

Bjjexpertise@be

Jubaji can correct me if I'm wrong:

Wrestler shoots in for a takedown and gets a so-so grip. The other wrestler counters by sprawling back a few times to loosen the grip while maintaining the front headlock control.
At this point the wrestler who initiated the takedown lost his grip so was victim to the defending wrestler shucking him a few times. The originally attacking wrestler now lost his bearings and looks like he's trying to stand back up, allowing the other wrestler to switch his front headlock to a whizzer and crossface. He drives off the same side leg that is crossfacing the guy and turns at the hip to flip him over like a pancake.

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jubaji

Right, and you could see him pushing down on the opponent in order to get a pushing back reaction that, timed just right, added to the momentum he used to pancake him over the opposite way.


Now, if you know your opponent is going to try this you can turn the tables by timing it just right yourself and at the exact moment he tries to pancake you, lowering your neck/shoulders and moving forward into him as if finishing a double, or slightly around to one side while coming through and hooking an arm through what would be his far leg. Because as with all commited movements he leaves himself vulnerable for at least a moment (you can see at just 00:15 on the vid) you can take advantage of that and even put him right on his back if you time it just right (and unless he is just a lot stronger than you and muscles through it anyway).

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