The Ultimate in Martial Arts

jubaji · 05-14-2008, 02:17 AM

How do you like to set up a double, single, throw, or anything else?

Since set-ups are arguably THE most important part of offense, what works for you?

Also, what questions about set-ups do any non-wrestlers have?

chillaplata · 05-14-2008, 05:40 AM

As a non-wrestler and BJJ beginner I don't even know enough about setting up takedowns to have specific questions. The few articles my quick google search turned up were interesting and potentially helpful, but not exactly comprehensive:

www.lockflow.com

http://videos.mmaweekly.com/member-tipoftheweek.php

Any good links or pointers you could share would be much appreciated.

bodhisattva · 05-14-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

How do you like to set up a double, single, throw, or anything else?

Since set-ups are arguably THE most important part of offense, what works for you?

Also, what questions about set-ups do any non-wrestlers have?

At the training circle, we work set ups both attached and unattached.

So we work in the swim drill, pummeling, and find a single leg and a double leg from each of:

Arm Drag
Two on One
Duck Under
Head Snap
Slide By
Shrug

And also to take their back on some of them.

We also work setups from biceps control and elbows control for the single and the double.

Typically, we work at least one judo throw from each of those positions as well.

So my guys will pummel for a duck under and either do:
Single Leg
Double Leg
Minor Outer Reap

Or they will go to Two on One and either:
Single
Double
Major Outer Reap
Or hit a duck under or an arm drag

Etc.

We do that almost every workout.

bodhisattva · 05-14-2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jubaji

How do you like to set up a double, single, throw, or anything else?

Since set-ups are arguably THE most important part of offense, what works for you?

Also, what questions about set-ups do any non-wrestlers have?

another of our favorite setups is to hit the move to his left, and if he ties off his left, then hit right away to his right side.

Single legs, duck under, and major outer reap all work well like this.

bodhisattva · 05-14-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chillaplata

As a non-wrestler and BJJ beginner I don't even know enough about setting up takedowns to have specific questions. The few articles my quick google search turned up were interesting and potentially helpful, but not exactly comprehensive:

www.lockflow.com

http://videos.mmaweekly.com/member-tipoftheweek.php

Any good links or pointers you could share would be much appreciated.

Chillaplata:

Randy Couture "Wrestling for Fighting" is only $35 at barnes and noble.

It's great.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 05-14-2008, 07:04 PM

touch touch go!

chillaplata · 05-14-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhisattva

Chillaplata:

Randy Couture "Wrestling for Fighting" is only $35 at barnes and noble.

It's great.

Thanks for your very helpful replies, Bodhisattva -- I will certainly check out that book.

**Hardball** · 05-15-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhisattva

Chillaplata:

Randy Couture "Wrestling for Fighting" is only $35 at barnes and noble.

It's great.

I got it on Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more for a fraction of that price.

chillaplata · 05-18-2008, 06:29 AM

Just ordered it on Amazon -- thanks for the tip.

Also ordered BJ Penn's book on MMA, a book on conditioning, and a new book on Fedor (coming out in September).

jubaji · 05-18-2008, 02:54 PM

What often goes overlooked in terms of set ups is simply movement itself. How you move around, toward, or away from your opponent and any of the various ways you make him move can have a huge impact on your ability to carry out your offense or counter.

If you know you can make your opponent step in a given direction, even for a second, you can time when his weight will be committed in a certain direction, which will 'freeze' a leg if only for a fraction of a second and that is when you can get penetration. Faking shots and anticipating reactions can give you even more of an advantage (provided you are right about how he will react).

A lot of folks talk about how 'fast' wrestlers are with leg shots and such, but you get a whole lot faster when your opponent isn't moving.

bodhisattva · 05-18-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

What often goes overlooked in terms of set ups is simply movement itself. How you move around, toward, or away from your opponent and any of the various ways you make him move can have a huge impact on your ability to carry out your offense or counter.

If you know you can make your opponent step in a given direction, even for a second, you can time when his weight will be committed in a certain direction, which will 'freeze' a leg if only for a fraction of a second and that is when you can get penetration. Faking shots and anticipating reactions can give you even more of an advantage (provided you are right about how he will react).

A lot of folks talk about how 'fast' wrestlers are with leg shots and such, but you get a whole lot faster when your opponent isn't moving.

A good example of this is to "circle away from the leg you are going to attack"

This works well. Circle away from his right leg, and just before he sets it down as he steps it forward, throw his arms upwards and shoot in.

We're training that one more tomorrow, as a matter of fact.

jubaji · 05-18-2008, 08:39 PM

Of course as with any set up, you need to be aware that your oppenent may be expecting that and use it to lead YOU into his counter. If I take a big, exagerrated step knowing you will take that bait I may have an advantage in countering since I can anticipate your action.

Sort of chess-like

**Britt** · 05-22-2008, 06:08 PM

The wifey got me the Randy Couture book for my birthday yesterday. should make for a good weekend read.

OnegaishiMasu · 06-13-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bodhisattva

Two on One
Duck Under
Head Snap
Slide By
Shrug

+1, the essentials

JadeDragon · 12-17-2008, 03:01 PM

I find that by pushing your opponent backwards when in a collar to elbow tie up works well for a single leg takedown. By pushing him backwards his natural reaction is going to push back. At first you fight him then you let him take a step forward and bam you shoot for a single leg on the leg he stepped forward with.

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jubaji Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 10,108 Groans: 0 Groaned at 38 Times in 38 Posts	Set ups How do you like to set up a double, single, throw, or anything else? Since set-ups are arguably THE most important part of offense, what works for you? Also, what questions about set-ups do any non-wrestlers have? __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

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jubaji Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 10,108 Groans: 0 Groaned at 38 Times in 38 Posts	What often goes overlooked in terms of set ups is simply movement itself. How you move around, toward, or away from your opponent and any of the various ways you make him move can have a huge impact on your ability to carry out your offense or counter. If you know you can make your opponent step in a given direction, even for a second, you can time when his weight will be committed in a certain direction, which will 'freeze' a leg if only for a fraction of a second and that is when you can get penetration. Faking shots and anticipating reactions can give you even more of an advantage (provided you are right about how he will react). A lot of folks talk about how 'fast' wrestlers are with leg shots and such, but you get a whole lot faster when your opponent isn't moving. __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

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jubaji Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 10,108 Groans: 0 Groaned at 38 Times in 38 Posts	Of course as with any set up, you need to be aware that your oppenent may be expecting that and use it to lead YOU into his counter. If I take a big, exagerrated step knowing you will take that bait I may have an advantage in countering since I can anticipate your action. Sort of chess-like __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

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chillaplata Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 213 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	As a non-wrestler and BJJ beginner I don't even know enough about setting up takedowns to have specific questions. The few articles my quick google search turned up were interesting and potentially helpful, but not exactly comprehensive: www.lockflow.com http://videos.mmaweekly.com/member-tipoftheweek.php Any good links or pointers you could share would be much appreciated.

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7r14ngL3Ch0k3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,562 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	touch touch go!

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chillaplata Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 213 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just ordered it on Amazon -- thanks for the tip. Also ordered BJ Penn's book on MMA, a book on conditioning, and a new book on Fedor (coming out in September).

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Britt Premiere Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 601 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The wifey got me the Randy Couture book for my birthday yesterday. should make for a good weekend read.

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JadeDragon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 482 Groans: 13 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I find that by pushing your opponent backwards when in a collar to elbow tie up works well for a single leg takedown. By pushing him backwards his natural reaction is going to push back. At first you fight him then you let him take a step forward and bam you shoot for a single leg on the leg he stepped forward with.

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