haumana2000

glad you found the clip interesting and in accordance with what the last poster i definately agree that the biggest mistake people make is non-commitment and not setting up the shot tactically.. set it up with the jab and all will fall into place!

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Tant01

I stuck this on another board but thought it was interesting enough...

Former Olympic and world judo champion Keiji Suzuki said he felt "empty" and was (re-)considering his future in the sport after suffering a humiliating -100kg first round defeat at the Beijing Games.
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Suzuki, 29, who stepped up to +100kg in Athens to claim a sensational gold medal, was back fighting at his preferred -100kg, the weight at which he won the world title in 2005.


He also has the 2003 world open-weight title to his name as he has been shuffled around different categories due to the depth of heavyweight talent at home. No open-class title is fought in the Olympics.

Suzuki was given a second chance for a bronze medal in the repechage round of losers to the eventual semi-finalists. But he again was floored by German Benjamin Behrla with a shoulder wheel.


Tearful judo king Suzuki "empty" after Beijing humiliation

Imagine that...?

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JadeDragon

When I wrestled years ago in high school I had a great success with the fireman's carry so much that my team mates called me fire chief. I have had really good success with it against jiu jitsu players because most of them only use single leg takedown, double leg takedown, and maybe ankle picks and aren't expecting a fireman's carry. It catches them off guard and allows you to quickly follow up with something such as a mount position or something else such as an arm bar of some type because you still have a hold of thier arm from doing the fireman's.

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csc

There is some risk when you execute the firemen's carry. When your arm extend between your opponent's legs and try to reach one of his legs, he can use the other leg to jam your extended arm at the elbow joint. All he needs to do is to twist his body. Someone did this to someone long time ago, it ended with a group fist fight after that.

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jubaji

There are a lot of things that can go awry with a fireman's, but that is not among the more likely.

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csc

You can see that at 0.03, his right elbow joint is so close to his opponennt's left knee.

YouTube - Wrestling - Firemans Carry

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jubaji

But consider what his opponent would have to do and the amount of time he would have to do it, to try and catch his arm between those two legs at exactly the elbow joint at the exact second his arm was there.

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csc

You don't have to catch right on your opponent's elbow joint. The moment that his hand touches your leg, any contact point on his arm will have the same effect (of course the elbow will be the best contact point). This is the "cracking" that I was talking about in another thread. Since not many people use it in today's environment, some people may think it doesn't exist.

If one spend time to train it, he may be able to use it someday. Nothing is impossible in combat. It's not very common used and I'm not sure it will be even allowed in sport. I do believe it's not allowed in Judo.

I just love those "illegal moves" more than those "legal moves".

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jubaji

A lot of things are 'possible' that are so unlikely as to be impractical and a waste of training time.

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mellow

Hey Hardball,

There is a Jujitsu version (like almost everyJudo throw) from a cross arm grab that if you catch them right you get a nifty armbar across your shoulder.

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csc

The combat SC firemen's carry version requires to throw your opponent while both of your feet are straight and together. This way you will raise your opponent's body to the maximum height before you drop him. You then continue your body rotation into a low bow-arrow stance and send your opponent's head straight down to the ground (as airplane crashing with head down first).

A SC guy likes to keep the upper body vertical straight up and only use the legs muscle to lift his opponent (from the bending position to the straight position). This way, the chance to hurt the low back will be reduced.

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Tant01

What else can you do with kataguruma? In judo you throw the uke down to one side ("gently")

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Eyegouge

My dad showed me how to do a fireman's carry when I was just a little kid, he learned it while he wrestled for Eastern Illinois University back in the 50's. (my dad's 73). When he was 68 he threw my 215lb sod laying friend from my highschool wrestling team with his version of the fireman's carry. The key, is snatching a the lead wrist hard, (don't grab it like a girl) and then snatching a handfull of nutz (hard, like a pissed off girl). When you get a handfull on junk, while shooting in, it makes your opponent come up on his toes and makes loading him onto your shoulders soooooo much easier, no one sprawls when you have a handfull of their crotch. They stand straight up on their toes and are super easy to pick up off the ground.

Now, if you are in an event where acctually grabbing the nutz is not allowed, when you shoot and jerk the wrist over the back of your neck, instead of taking a handfull, slam your radial bone into the crotch as your penetrating (like you do with a crossface) and that will make them load themselves onto your back, then catch the crotch in the crook of your elbow. Too many people try to be nice about the move, you really have to jerk on the wrist hard and come straight UP into the crotch even harder. Once you learn how to come up through the crotch hard it makes the firemans carry a dangerous offensive weapon.

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jubaji

I gotta disagree here. Squeezing the shit out of his wrist is as good as telling him "I'm going to shoot now!" It's the momentum and off-balancing that makes it work and if you don't get penetration you will get stuck halfway and you're screwed. Grabbing nuts also makes no sense as you will get all bunched up instead of moving through his center of gravity and taking his balance. Like any other shot, it depends on the penetration which depends on the set up. A well executed fireman's doesn't rely on muscling it at all.

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Bjjexpertise@be

I kinda agree with jubs on this one, fireman's carry is all about penetration, not saying other takedowns don't need it but where-as a halfassed doubleleg you can get some redemption with perseverence and pull, a fireman's carry without perfect penetration will not work (no such thing as a half assed fireman's carry!). Squeezing the wrist is gonna telegraph the shot, which'll interfere with penetration. As far as grabbing the nuts if you got adequate penetration your arm probably won't be in prime position to grab the nuts.

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