two cents again.. There are many interesting viewpoints here, from mma perspective and since the Firemans is a push/pull type throw, I have my guys set it from the muay thai clinch i.e as I throw right knee and left knee, then step back and pivot with my left leg to bring him around, the moment he steps "his" right knee forward is when you would use the firemans penetration step. the left hand would have to slide from the base of his skull, to the inside fulcrum of his right arm to provide the arm control.
cheers.


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