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The Fireman's Carry

The fireman's carry is where one shoots inbetween the opponent's legs and reaches deep (similar to a high-crotch) while maintaining control over an opponent's shoulder with the other arm and dumping them.

I find that this move is rather powerful, especially against bigger fellas since this gets you under them with them still going forward. I don't find this move particularly hard to set up and have had some great success with it.

In judo, you see this move all the time as this is one of the top 5 most used Judo throws in competitions. However, in wrestling this move is much much more rare when compared to the likes of the double leg takedown, or the single leg. Has anybody else here have any success using this move or have any comments to add?

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Hardball

What is the Japanese name for it?

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Tant01

............Kata guruma (shoulder wheel)

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Tant01

How to do a Fireman's Carry Judo Style | ExpertVillage Videos

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Hardball

You know a lot for someone who hasn't had formal Judo training.

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Tant01

I've had a little formal training... A long time ago...It's the last throw in the third group of the Kodokan syllabus.



You can find this throw in BJJ as well. (surprise surprise?)

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James Paterson

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jubaji

I think there are several reasons why you see fewer fireman's than singles and doubles. First, it requires more of a commitment. You can take a 'half-way' single or double if you are wary of your opponent's defense and still manage often to make something out of it based on his reaction, but to hit a fireman's you gotta lay it out there and commit to it. To actually finish it you need really good penetration; much more than you need to get a single or double enough to be able to work a finish. If you really commit to the shot and don't hit it right you are now in a very bad position, whereas if a double or single doesn't work out there is still a lot of room to scramble or back out of it without necessarily giving up a takedown yourself.

You see more fireman's at competitions with younger wrestlers because there is so often a vast difference in skills. When you get to higher levels where defenses are generally much better and the difference between competitors is closer (and therefore missed shots more costly) you see less. However, even at very high levels there are guys who are just so unbelievably good that they are beyond most of their competitors and can pull it off, or are confident about scrambling from even a very bad position if they don't get it.

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Tant01

Really Ju... The biggest mistake I've seen with kataguruma is trying to get it.

It almost needs to come to you. Not so frequently with wrestlers that like to shoot in low but if they shoot in HIGH and dig for the penetration take IT!!!


All the kuzushi in the world won't drag a bare arm in for you unless he's pushing himself.

Take it if he gives it to you and drop him on his head.

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James Paterson

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Tom Yum

Can I get really good penetration without the commitment?

Every man must ask himself this question...

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jubaji

And I worded my sentences so carefully...

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Tom Yum

I was just joking, jubs. Still on the hunt for a good gal - but that's more of a back burner thing.

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jubaji

Sounds like the sort of thing that ought to be on the front burner!

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haumana2000

Firemans carry definately one to keep on the front burner guys. i teach it s set up from the muay plum position where you feed the knees, turn him, then penetrate the angle.

ah, now that i think about it, go on you tube and check out team pueblo mma, theres a demo of it.
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Tant01

Link please? LOL

Make me go find it?

I'd like to see it!

Thanks kindly...

The last few seconds of this were interesting...

YouTube Video

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James Paterson

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cheech

A firemans carry is a good move. Some good moves to use in the same range and similar positions are duck under, arm drag, ankle pick, and barrel roll. All wrestling moves should be committed. The moves should be executed w/ total commitment, speed and power. The trick is to learn to see the openings, and to be prepared. The better you get, you'll be able to read your opponent and anticipate his movements.

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