Bruce Lee Vs Mohamed Ali

[IPON]

he may have been a good boxer but hes certainly not the best fighter... mike tyson has to be considered as the best boxer fighter.. or whatever you call the person whos the best at winning boxing matches.. tyson would have ate up Ali when they were both in their prime

I can't agree with this Ali was the personification of the "sweet science" Tyson while effective was simply a brawler by comparison with Ali. The win over foreman was strategy and guts...simple, who created the rope-a-dope?
We can a gree to disagree but before you put down Ali and Raise up Iron Mike hand remember Mike had little competion and he fought noone that could hit as hard or harder than he could. Ali was not a devestating puncher and he made up for it in skill, technique and guts and virtually all of his opponents out powered him. A champion can rise in the face of adversity, Ali will always be a champion and Tyson will not.

Anyway, I know I am off topic just wanted to add that part.

[SamuraiGuy]

Makes sense your argument against tyson... Ill take tyson off the table then.. but what about Frazier hes gotta get at least a look for best boxer and all that... and i still think standing their and getting punched for 8 rounds is dumb lol ... and i know he invented the Rope A Dope... but ive never heard it being used effectively anywhere else... and i dont claim to be the biggest knowledge on boxing so it may have been used later... but yeah... what about Frazier and the others.

[koto_ryu]

well if you read i didnt say whos best... i said these people have to be considered as best... notice you didnt bring up frazier again.. no one ever brings up frazier...

Not a big Frazier fan actually. While he had the power and was a decent boxer, he wasn't one of the best. He just had a tough jaw and strong punches, not too much else IMO.

championship again when he was 44... and 500 situps a day? ... are you sure... when i was 14 I'd do like 1000 a day.. 4 sets of 250...

Ali did them straight-legged as was the time (so far less momentum to get up) and with each repetition had a medicine ball thrown against his stomach. Trust me, your abs will become like iron from doing that. Rocky Marciano did the exact same thing, he used to let his opponents get in some body punches onto his iron-hard abs to "wear 'em out a bit".

my abs couldnt have stopped one punch from george foreman... Now i dont have abs for shit anymore... but I dont think 500 a day was really changing his tactics to get punched in the stomach for 8 rounds.. still seems dumb to me.

Ali couldn't have fought and won the same way he did when he was in his prime. He was slower and lacked the fleetness in his feet he used to have. He knew he only had one chance at Foreman and that was to challenge Foreman's questionable endurance. So he developed his "rope-a-dope" style and let Foreman wear himself out. Trust me, those punches still hurt, and anybody else than Ali would've probably gone down but he had a lot riding on that win and wasn't going to stop until he either won or was dead. I think in the movie Ali they actually explain his thinking behind it, if not, in many of his bios you can read all about it.

[koto_ryu]

Makes sense your argument against tyson... Ill take tyson off the table then.. but what about Frazier hes gotta get at least a look for best boxer and all that...

Like I said, Frazier was a tough jaw and strong punches, not much else. He was much more akin to say Sonny Liston, a guy who could hit hard and was a tough opponent but lacked a lot of technical knowledge.

[HtTKar]

For that matter, it could be said that George Forman is the best boxer ever.
With a title of 76-5 with 68KO's.

yeah, he lost to Holyfield, young, and Ali, but so did a lot of other people. George really was a monster, but you have to be smart to ring up a record like that. How many boxers even fight 81 professional fights? How many fighters can adapt well enough to continue being a champ after 30yrs?

Ali and Lee were both martial artists, and as the saying goes. Anyone can win on any certain day. Personally, I dont think that Bruce could even hit Ali hard enough to stop him. Ali took full force hits from Forman and still took the fight. Lee would have to do full force kicks in order to hit as hard as Forman. Even Frazier said that he hit Ali with "punches that'd bring down the walls of a city". Still Ali took that fight, though he said it was the closest thing to death he had ever known.

Added weight, reach, and size advantage of Ali is definitely in his favor. Add to that the fact that I have seen Ali KO many opponents, whereas I have never seen Lee in a real fight. Bruces only advantage over most was speed. Ali was no slow-poke either. Ali was also good at psychological games...look how he psyched Liston out by acting crazy. I wouldn't even put them on the same caliber. It would be like watching Don (the dragon) Wilson -v- Evander Holyfield, Or Jackie Chan -v- Mike tyson; though I think that would be a closer fight.

[koto_ryu]

As far as Bruce lee vs. Ali, I think in a fight, the edge goes to Bruce. In the ring, Ali wins every time. Ali didn't do well when he fought the Japanese wrestler,

He did well enough, they fought each other to a 15-round draw with Inoki trying to use strikes and grappling against him.