combining organizational forms

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Instructors...

People that have knowledge of the art I am asking about. Not to say books are not a valuable asset, I just don't trust all books. And before it is said, I know people can be just as false as books, my choice. Internet is an even worse choice in my opinion, anyone can write whatever they want.

From what I see, you belong to the WTF and have your own opinion, that is fine. It just is not what I choose to believe. So, agree to disagree.

No one can belong to the WTF. That's fact. Also, I have not been a member of the USTU since 2001. I am a Kukkiwon Dan holder however, but that does not make me a member of the WTF, regardless of what you may think.

If "instructors" told you Taekwondo stances came from Taekkyon, they have been mis-informed. I know, I practice Taekkyon, and learn it directly from the highest senior of Taekkyon in Korea. We discuss these issues about the relationship between Taekwondo and Taekkyon on many occasions.

I like to get my information from various sources. As for books, I consider the author. Example: books by the Kukkiwon and Kwan founders are all good choices for Taekwondo.

Just about every other book on Taekwondo is total garbage, written by men who want to make a name from themselves, because getting published is their only hope of being "known".

But nothing beats talking personally to the men who were there all along, from the beginning of Taekwondo, to the present. They are my best source of information.

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No one can belong to the WTF. That's fact. Also, I have not been a member of the USTU since 2001. I am a Kukkiwon Dan holder however, but that does not make me a member of the WTF, regardless of what you may think.

If "instructors" told you Taekwondo stances came from Taekkyon, they have been mis-informed. I know, I practice Taekkyon, and learn it directly from the highest senior of Taekkyon in Korea. We discuss these issues about the relationship between Taekwondo and Taekkyon on many occasions.


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Sorry dude, just symantics.

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Sorry dude, just symantics.

I know, sometimes facts can sound that way.

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dodgeduckdodge:

Yes I know the WTF is a member of the International Olympic Committee. But I was always under the impression that the WTF is also associated with the Kukkiwon. Which does issue out dan certificates, training forms and so forth. Since many instructors and students for that matter seem to associate themselves with either the WTF or ITF I figured the Kukkiwon and WTF were in alliance (so to speak) with eachother therefore making it a business association.

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dodgeduckdodge:

Yes I know the WTF is a member of the International Olympic Committee. But I was always under the impression that the WTF is also associated with the Kukkiwon. Which does issue out dan certificates, training forms and so forth. Since many instructors and students for that matter seem to associate themselves with either the WTF or ITF I figured the Kukkiwon and WTF were in alliance (so to speak) with eachother therefore making it a business association.

There is a relationship of recognition between the WTF and the Kukkiwon, you are correct. But it is not like you and others think. Example, you can search the web and find hundreds of websites where instructors will state they have the following:

- WTF certified black belt
- member school of the WTF
- instructor is a member of the WTF
- we do WTF style
- we teach WTF Tae Kwon Do

It's really funny because it's all bull-------- The sad part is that many of these instructors actually believe it. Then others believe it too.

Who started all this nonsense?????

It's like saying because I have a California drivers license that I am certified by the US Government, a member of the US Government, etc.

The state of martial arts in the USA is sad.............

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