Hapkido vs. Jiu Jitsu

[choylifutrocks]

IPON--"The best techniques in a multiple situation are weapons, knives are good but taking the safety of my 9mm is probably the best."

Yeah, knives are incredible. I wouldn't recommend or condone carrying weapons around, but of any weapons training I would recommend knives. My Choy li Fut instructor had one of my fellow students, attempt to attack him while he held a pretend knive. In literally less than two seconds that guy would have been slaughtered. His moral of the story was, "This is why you don't fight ppl armed with knives, especially if they handle them with skill." It was incredible.

The only problem with a situation like that is, when the cops come around and see like seven slices on some guy you were supposedly defending yourself against, they're gonna rough you up and take you to jail, not believing a word you said. As far as multiple attackers go, only resort to it if you have to, not to showcase your martial talent -- although it would be gratifying. You'll only get yourself in trouble with the law, and you can never win that fight.

[mjohnson]

9mm?

9mm's suck. Glock21 is the way to go. .45 baby.



Yeah hapkido is a good way to get out of a fight, but if it happens and 95% of street fights go to the ground, whats HKD going to do?

[GRACIEAUSTIN]

I would best describe the Hapkido as more crude form of Jiu-Jitsu as far as positioning & base & it has traditional strikes not "Brazilian boxing" or vale tudo mixed in. I own a Black Belt in Hapkido.

[Cain]

I love 9mm's ..

[krys]

95% of street fights go to the ground,

I've never seen official statistics on this...
I've been in a good number of street fights and never to the ground... even my bjj instructor told me you not to go to the ground in the street...

Most of street fight invove more than one opponent, often weapons, it is a very bad idea to go to the ground when you can avoid it....

Yeah, knives are incredible. I wouldn't recommend or condone carrying weapons around, but of any weapons training I would recommend knives.

Knives are nice, machettes even better........
actually there exists small machettes of arabian design called zanzibars that can be easilly hidden...

but to stay on the safe side of the law (can't avoid carrying knives myself) pocket sticks are nice tools also. They are legal and can give a lot of damage....

[kid_chocolate]

hmmm

Judo sucks, a black belt in judo is a blue belt in BJJ. I'm a blue belt.

Where is the USA in world judo? Last, thats where. Where in BJJ? Second probably after Brazil. Perhaps thats why you have a high opinion of BJJ and a low opinion of judo?

BJJ IS judo, only concentrating more on the ground and less on the standup, thats all.

BJJ is the ultimate martial art in my opinion. If someone wants to prove me wrong, thats fine I can take an ass kicking

Kimura (judo) vs Gracie (BJJ). Ring any bells?

All arts have their greats and all have their young band-wagon jumping wannabes.

[crosstrainedwar]

I belive Kimura outweighed Helio Gracie by 30 pounds and was 30 years younger than Helio Gracie, though.

[kid_chocolate]

re

Young wannabes.....

Just train more and spend less time thinking about it.

[kid_chocolate]

re: knives

The only problem with a situation like that is, when the cops come around and see like seven slices on some guy you were supposedly defending yourself against, they're gonna rough you up and take you to jail, not believing a word you said. As far as multiple attackers go, only resort to it if you have to, not to showcase your martial talent -- although it would be gratifying. You'll only get yourself in trouble with the law, and you can never win that fight.

I agree. You need to learn the knife but personally I would favour something a little less deadly and aggressive looking. Try a torch. Nobody can say anything about you carrying a torch. Inova X5 or Streamlight batonlight are good bets. You can really batter someone with a torch.

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by crosstrainedwar
I belive Kimura outweighed Helio Gracie by 30 pounds and was 30 years younger than Helio Gracie, though.

I believe the gracies claimed anyone, anytime, and style....but you've got a point.

[choylifutrocks]

Re: re: knives

Originally posted by kid_chocolate


I agree. You need to learn the knife but personally I would favour something a little less deadly and aggressive looking. Try a torch. Nobody can say anything about you carrying a torch. Inova X5 or Streamlight batonlight are good bets. You can really batter someone with a torch.

Or maybe a chainsaw? They'd just think I was a lumber jack, right? LOL.

[kid_chocolate]

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I believe the gracies claimed anyone, anytime, and style....but you've got a point.

A point??? Nah, he's just read too many Gracie fanboy websites. The 50th anniversary of the match was 2001 when Helio claimed to be 89 years old. That would make him 39 at the time of the fight. If Kimura was 30 years younger than Gracie as claimed, that would make Kimura 9 years old at the time of the fight .

Infact Kimura was 34 at the time. Easily checked by looking back at his very public judo record. Helio's details on the other hand (like weight and age) are a complete mystery and we just have to take his word. Remember, to Kimura this little fight was just another day at the office, whereas Helio built a whole martial art marketing campaign around it.

[kid_chocolate]

a more impressive record

From Kimura's biography:

Kimura went to Brazil in 1959 to have his last Professional Judo/Wrestling tour. He was challenged by Aldemar Santana. Santana was champion of Gracie Jiujitsu, Capoeira, and boxing. He was 27 years old, 6 feet and 205 lbs. In 1958, Santana knocked out Helio Gracie in a fight lasting 3 hours 45 minutes. Kimura threw Santana with Seoi-nage, Hanegosh, Osoto-gari; then, he applied Ude-garami, and won the match.

Shortly after, Santana challenged Kimura to have a rematch for Vale-tudo. ( Everything goes, as it is equivalent to Ultimate Fighting Championship. )

On the day of the competition, there were 10,000 spectators present. From the beginning, Kimura realized that Santana punched and kicked much better. The only chance was newaza. Kimura made a mistake, and tried to throw Seoinage. Since both of them were soaked in sweat, without Judo-gis, Kimura fell to the mat. Santana followed with a straight punch and head-butt to Kimura’s stomach, not once or twice, but three times. Kimura was stunned; however, he maintained his nerve and waited for his chance to counter. When Santana tried to head-butt for the fourth time, Kimura punched Santana’s forehead-between the eyes-with all his strength. Santana,his face covered in blood, retreated. Kimura got up from the mat and chased Santana. The fight lasted for 40 minutes with a draw, as both of them were exhausted, unable to do complete damage. Kimura was 42 years old at the time.

Kimura's a classy guy though. He never felt the need to boast about this stuff, which was nothing to him after his long and illustrious judo career. He did it because he loved it.

[Seifer2399]

From what I've seen with hapkido, my instructor demonstrated some pretty nasty techniques on the wrists - forward power, outside leads, "citizen's arrest" manuvers. This is mostly favored by policemen, security guards, and especially bouncers because they're such painful locks, and at any moment can be used to break a joint(s). Great way to escort anyone out of the building who's getting out of hand. As far as realism - yes it's possible to actually incorporate these moves, but sometimes you're just not going to get a good grip on the wrist or whatever joint you're going for. Best to be ready for anything.

As far as hapkido vs. jiu jitsu, or any MA vs. MA - just learn as much as you can from all. You'll see what to do / not to do, and it'll make you that much more of a complete fighter.

Best regards,

Seifer2399

[choylifutrocks]

Re: a more impressive record

Originally posted by kid_chocolate
From Kimura's biography:

Kimura's a classy guy though. He never felt the need to boast about this stuff, which was nothing to him after his long and illustrious judo career. He did it because he loved it.

You made some really good points. I've been educated.