Protecting the business

[wsdddoa012]

Do you agree or disagree with this quote

"No technique is 100% effective"

I actually picked that up out of a law enforcement defensive tactics training manual while working as a correctional officer.

I've been using this as a way to protect my business from misrepresenting what I teach. Sure students expect to learn how to defend themselves but at what degree do we as instructors say "not every technique will work for every situation" how far to we go to tell the truth about the effectivness of every technique?

[Hardball]

I disagree. Starting with a right cross. It's 100% effective if used as a preemptive strike. ( Sucker punch)

[wsdddoa012]

Well the sucker punch is only effective if it catches the other poor soul off guard. VIA it has to be an element of surprise. That doesn't always happen.

[eXcessiveForce]

Nothing works 100% of the time. Nothing.

what's worse is most people aren't even able to pull off have the stuff they think they are good at when it counts.

[Hardball]

Well the sucker punch is only effective if it catches the other poor soul off guard. VIA it has to be an element of surprise. That doesn't always happen.

You can't telegraph. Other than that, It's very effective. Just don't telegraph.

[Hardball]

Nothing works 100% of the time. Nothing.

what's worse is most people aren't even able to pull off have the stuff they think they are good at when it counts.

I know you are right but I wanted to get the thread going. He He

[eXcessiveForce]

it's pretty disheartening to hit somebody full out and have them just smile at you.


When I was in high school I had some guy run up from behind and punch me square in the back of my head. I had my car keys in my hand, which ended up ready for a strike, as I turned to him, I saw this guy standing here like a moron, I didn't hit him. I just looked at him and said "if I couldn't hit any harder than that I wouldn't go around hitting people." The guy never bothered me again.

[Hardball]

it's pretty disheartening to hit somebody full out and have them just smile at you.


When I was in high school I had some guy run up from behind and punch me square in the back of my head. I had my car keys in my hand, which ended up ready for a strike, as I turned to him, I saw this guy standing here like a moron, I didn't hit him. I just looked at him and said "if I couldn't hit any harder than that I wouldn't go around hitting people." The guy never bothered me again.

Try some knuckle conditioning. Then review your pressure points.

[wsdddoa012]

response

Well like I said I found it in a law enforcement defensive tactics training manual. I agree with the terms and here's why:


1) Different techniques will work for different situations, not all techniques will work for every situation, I.E (the sucka punch)

2) You CANNOT prepare to defend against attack, only react to it, and reaction is different then preperation. Therefore the use of a technique isnt' always valid for every situation.

3) WHY do you think we teach students a thousand techniques to choose from? hahahahahaha

4) Muscle memory is why repetitions are important!!!! However the techniques themselves MUST be simple enough to remember by...

lol Hardball I said the same thing technically

[eXcessiveForce]

I'm not a big fan of pressure points anymore. I am a ppct instructor and over the years I've had them fail too many times.

I would never put my life on a pressure point. I think it was Vu who said, hit anything hard enough and it becomes a pressure point.


after your heart rate hits 140 beats per minute, you lose fine motor control anyway.

I believe that students should spend more time on the basics which are more gross motor skills in nature rather than upper level techniques with often add complexity and fine motor skills.

I had a young student ask me when I would teach him self defense one day. I told him I already have you just haven't figured that out. Jab, Cross, Hook, Uppercut, Front Kick, Side Kick, Round Kick, Knee, Elbow. He probably still doesn't understand but oh well.

[Hardball]

Well then try vital spots such as the chin and the corner of the jaw where the hinges connect. There is a difference between pressure points and vital spots.

[eXcessiveForce]

Yup I'm all for vital spots.

[wsdddoa012]

response

Me too I'm all for vital spots. But I agree pressure points for th emost part are too complicated to learn in a quick short period of time.

So the student never figured that out huh?

[eXcessiveForce]

nope not yet, but there is still hope

[wsdddoa012]

response

lol yeah, there's always hope. Think there will come a day when people know the difference between what MA teaches and what Basic Self Defense really is?