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  • 7r14ngL3Ch0k3
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    Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
    You'd probably get stomped or punched in the mix.
    No shit. Dont try to be a smart ass.

    It was just an idea. Im not saying i or anyone should do that. And getting punched and kicked in the face for a few seconds is something alot guys can handle, and recover from. I guess some of you are just whimps and have never experianced what its like to be getting hit in the head, hard.

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  • Dim Wit Moc
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    I have heard many BJJ guys and other grapplers state that you really don't want to go to the ground with multiple opponents. While you are focusing on one, the other is screwing you up. I personally know of an incident where a girlfriend didn't like seeing her boyfriend being choked out and took matters into her own hands by inserting her Pink Handled Lady Sticker or whatever the nasty was called that she had in their purse, into the ribs of the "victorious" grappler. Instead of a choked out opponent, he had to fight for his life in an emergency room. I am very pro grappling and BJJ, but not with multiple opponents.

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  • georgie
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    Originally posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3 View Post
    Im not saying ive ever been in a situation like in the video, but lets say in the heat of the moment you do go to ground when you fight two guys... If youre an experiance BJJ practicioner, you can quickly apply a collar choke or an RNC to full extent. And by full extent i mean to where your attacker is OUT within a couple seconds of applying the choke. Now, i realize that his buddy will be trying to hit your face, either with kicks, stomps or punches or both, but are you really gonna let those strikes PREVENT you from finishing a choke where you only need a COUPLE of seconds to complete? If youre not tough enough to able to endure those strikes, no matter how hard someone is hitting you, than you shouldnt be fighting. After you choke out one guy(snapping a limp is much faster though), you can move on to the next.

    But obviously, being good at boxing is more effective than grappling someone when its you versus 2.
    its possible i suppose but it dont matter how" tough" you are getting kicked full force in the head or face will **** you up and it takes less than a second .you have a better chance of one of the guys taking a cardiac arrest

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  • Blue Wave Gym
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    Lol

    he he he good stuff

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  • Tom Yum
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    Originally posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3 View Post
    Im not saying ive ever been in a situation like in the video, but lets say in the heat of the moment you do go to ground when you fight two guys.
    You'd probably get stomped or punched in the mix.

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  • 7r14ngL3Ch0k3
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    Im not saying ive ever been in a situation like in the video, but lets say in the heat of the moment you do go to ground when you fight two guys... If youre an experiance BJJ practicioner, you can quickly apply a collar choke or an RNC to full extent. And by full extent i mean to where your attacker is OUT within a couple seconds of applying the choke. Now, i realize that his buddy will be trying to hit your face, either with kicks, stomps or punches or both, but are you really gonna let those strikes PREVENT you from finishing a choke where you only need a COUPLE of seconds to complete? If youre not tough enough to able to endure those strikes, no matter how hard someone is hitting you, than you shouldnt be fighting. After you choke out one guy(snapping a limp is much faster though), you can move on to the next.

    But obviously, being good at boxing is more effective than grappling someone when its you versus 2.

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  • knifehand
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    i think BJJ one on one is seriously bad ass.......very effective.......2 on 1 ...no way.....i dont think there are even techniques for grappling 2 people at once in BJJ.......maybe im wrong but lets just say you have one guy in a submissive lock and the other guy decides to boot **** you in the head......hmmm....i dont know if you can defend against that.......one on one ....BJJ couldve easily destroyed either of those guys......easily.

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  • fijeeboi
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    I train in BJJ but I am by no means claiming myself to be an expert. I'am a newb in the world of BJJ. From my point of view there is no way I would have used BJJ in that situation. It's obvious you don't want to go to the ground when you are fighting 2 people.

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  • WildWest.
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    Originally posted by 3mptin3ss View Post
    well lets discuss it. what do you guys think? if that guy tried to use bjj instead of boxing do you thikn he would have been successful?
    I like BJJ. I like the hard training and I like the techniques.

    In this situation, and I've thought about this, no it wouldn't have worked.

    The 2 guys didn't try to take the fight to the ground, the guy that fell on the ground could have been kicked in the head, without needing to bother with a submission/breaking technique, and then the boxer could have finished off the other guy. The multiple opponent thing is tricky. You need to be aware of the other guy at all times as the boxer was. You can't spend too long on one person in case you get sucker punched as the boxer showed and you need to be fast, aggressive and determined as the boxer was (despite him not finishing them off). I'm not convinced BJJ would have worked in this situation.

    I look forward to hearing from those who think it would have worked.

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  • 3mptin3ss
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    well lets discuss it. what do you guys think? if that guy tried to use bjj instead of boxing do you thikn he would have been successful?

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  • The_Judo_Jibboo
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    Originally posted by 3mptin3ss View Post
    no you wouldnt, because bjj probobly wouldnt have worked in that situation.
    in this particular situation, i'm not sure i agree. probably not bjj alone, yea, but setting up with a few strikes... if you watch again, after he knocks down the second guy he has a good 10 seconds alone with the other one. against an untrained assailant, which these guys obviously are, i think that's enough time to takedown and break the joint of your choosing. maybe the other guy gets a kick in but now it's a one on one fight.
    i'm not saying that's the way i'd go about it, but i just hear too often that groundfighting isn't a valid self-defense option. it's the same folly as when mma guys say there's nothing valuable in tma's. why wouldn't you want your bag of tricks to be as big as possible? what if a guy is on top of you holding you down while his buddy kicks? wouldn't you want to put the guy pinning you in some pain and get up?

    and 3mptin3ss, that being said i agree with you . most likely bjj is not the option you want take here. i used your post to launch into a rant on my own agenda. forgive me.

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  • 3mptin3ss
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    Originally posted by OmaPlata View Post
    I would have made sure they out cold also
    no you wouldnt, because bjj probobly wouldnt have worked in that situation.

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  • OmaPlata
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    Originally posted by The_Judo_Jibboo View Post
    i usually consider myself a pretty peaceful guy but i'm with the rest of you guys in being a bit surprised he didn't finish the job. if someone hit my loved one for no reason like that, i'd be looking to leave some injuries that he'd have to remember me by for a long time. maybe he didn't want to show that darker side in front of his girlfriend, which is admirable.

    i liked this video because it shows perfectly what those dog brother guys are always saying. if a higher ratio of people were trained to retaliate like this boxer did, punks would think twice before doing random violent acts cause there may be someone near by to hold them accountable.
    i agree, he should have POUNDED them even further, 2 on 1 is very hard to hande no matter how tough you are., I would have made sure they out cold also

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  • The_Judo_Jibboo
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    i usually consider myself a pretty peaceful guy but i'm with the rest of you guys in being a bit surprised he didn't finish the job. if someone hit my loved one for no reason like that, i'd be looking to leave some injuries that he'd have to remember me by for a long time. maybe he didn't want to show that darker side in front of his girlfriend, which is admirable.

    i liked this video because it shows perfectly what those dog brother guys are always saying. if a higher ratio of people were trained to retaliate like this boxer did, punks would think twice before doing random violent acts cause there may be someone near by to hold them accountable.

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  • WildWest.
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    I like the way he reacted and the aggression he showed when he attacked the two pricks. But he didn't finish them off. He could have booted one of the guys in the head while he was on the ground and then it would have been an easier 1on1 with the remaining guy.

    Still, amusing to say the least!

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