Which non chinese arts would you use to augment

[jubaji]

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[kanik]

The Chinese are masters of circular motion.
The Japanese are masters of linear motion.

Hey you got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

Haha! Kickass! *high fives* Oh and I must say... Jubaji is much smarter than I gave him credit for... Anyway!

[Tom Yum]

Which arts would be the most useful to update the Traditional Chinese Fighting Arts?

It would seem evident that you must incorporate skills that serve you in all three types of combat. Standing, locking, and throwing. Of course each of those contains sub catagories, Wrestling, striking, grappling etc.

Also if you are building a self defense art you must address weapons that you may realistically encounter on the streets or during a home invasion or car jacking for instance.

note i am talking about learning to be aware of the things you need to know to survive the streets not in the ring.

This isn't a style really, just my thoughts on the matter

Modern weapons and improvised weapon use/defense.

Fighting in tight quarters due to environmental considerations - such as the aisles of an airplane, while seated in a car, fighting in a crowded area etc.

[Red Rum]

Chinese martial arts usually have a very poor ground game
There are exceptions of course, but I can speak for wing chun, where people fight like a cockroach that has been turned on its back if they go to ground

Therefore, BJJ, Judo, wrestling or sombo would fit nicely with it

In Kamon we use BJJ if we go to ground. Even the basics will help you immensely

[taoistscholar]

why does style even matter? why make it more complex? Isnt it easiest to just fight the way you fight and call a stop to one style here and another there. is this not most natural?

also, martial arts are martial arts. the only time they are not is when they are categorized because then they are no longer real. names mean nothing

[jubaji]

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[BoarSpear]

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[HtTKar]

"Which arts would be the most useful to update the Traditional Chinese Fighting Arts? "

Is KunTao a TCMA?
KunTao already did a lot of the work of updating their art to be effective. When the Chinese Shaolin warriors went to Indonesia they faced a culture with a different "Martial" mindset. China had Martial arts; Indonesia had fighting arts. If you read the history between these two cultures..it wasn't pretty. The Chinese warriors protecting the royal families realized they had to update their Shaolin fighting arts to make them more destructive and to elliminate useless material. People always talk about how great the Shaolin Monks were...but they had to change their style to make it actually work in Indonesia where it is common for everyone to have bladed weapons. It's a highly secretive art, and it hasn't been taught to outsiders since the Dutch were kicked out of Indonesia. So basically KunTao has already done most of the work for you, good luck finding an instructor.
Chinese martial arts then mix well with Hapkido, TKD, Indonesian Tai Chi, Pencak Silat, and jujitsu

[HtTKar]

I would have them check out schools in the area and learn as much as possible through instruction or reading. Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ, TKD for kicking, almost any art can be mixed with any other art depending on what your specific goals are. Do you care if they can kick, box, or wrestle? Or do you just want them to be able to take care of themselves, in which case education is probably more important anyways.

[Kenpodog]

The Chinese are masters of circular motion.
The Japanese are masters of linear motion.

Hey you got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

Your quote is an uneducated assumption, take for instance wing chun and Xing Yi of CMA with straight lines and Aikido of JMA with circles.

True, it was an uneducated assumption.
I guess Chocolate and Peanut Butter have already been combined.

[Oraenor]

Which arts would be the most useful to update the Traditional Chinese Fighting Arts?

It would seem evident that you must incorporate skills that serve you in all three types of combat. Standing, locking, and throwing. Of course each of those contains sub catagories, Wrestling, striking, grappling etc.

Also if you are building a self defense art you must address weapons that you may realistically encounter on the streets or during a home invasion or car jacking for instance.

note i am talking about learning to be aware of the things you need to know to survive the streets not in the ring.

**Which arts would be the most useful to update the Traditional Chinese Fighting Arts?

Nil, TCMA teachers should realise the reality and drop their arrogance so that they can teach proper TCMA. Just because one person is trained in somthing doesnt make them superior in combat, the same can be said about someone with a law degree doesnt make them a lawyer.




**Also if you are building a self defense art you must address weapons that you may realistically encounter on the streets or during a home invasion or car jacking for instance.

This is for the student to realise the reality, like teachers at school teaching students to read and write, the student must go out to the real world and use the tools taught to them at school.teaching a student to act in one way is very narrow minded, better to let them decide and make mistakes in life.The one that complains about the art is one that doesnt want to learn, the one that realises that their mentality is incorrect and willing to change will grow wiser.Street survival comes from experience, not jibberish from some person.



Remember the meaning of Kung Fu; yes it means hard work but deeper into its meaning tells us that what you put into it is what you get out of it.Many chinese have used the word kung fu for not only martial arts but in cooking and craftsmanship.

[BoarSpear]

Baquazhang also contains linear sets...

[Oraenor]

The Chinese are masters of circular motion.
The Japanese are masters of linear motion.

Hey you got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

Your quote is an uneducated assumption, take for instance wing chun and Xing Yi of CMA with straight lines and Aikido of JMA with circles.

[BoarSpear]

Oh, I was wrestling from the minute I hit the ground. The point is that a kid wouldn't retain anything from that age "to perfect later in life". Too young. Now, if they kept on wrestling there would be a cumulative effect that kicks in when the kid gets old enough to start to develop a real sense of himself. But a kid who boxes, wrestles, whatever from 6 to 9 and then stops will in very short order forget/lose any benefit from that particular focus. That's ok, because at that age kids are really just building coordination and familiarity with physicality anyway, but the plan to 'instill' something in just those years is a bit over-thought.

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[jubaji]

Really? What arts did you learn from the ages of 6 to 9 years old?

Oh, I was wrestling from the minute I hit the ground. The point is that a kid wouldn't retain anything from that age "to perfect later in life". Too young. Now, if they kept on wrestling there would be a cumulative effect that kicks in when the kid gets old enough to start to develop a real sense of himself. But a kid who boxes, wrestles, whatever from 6 to 9 and then stops will in very short order forget/lose any benefit from that particular focus. That's ok, because at that age kids are really just building coordination and familiarity with physicality anyway, but the plan to 'instill' something in just those years is a bit over-thought.