Which martial art to start with?

kingoftheforest,

what are those two books you are holding up?

Tom Yum,

Hello,

How did you get that picture in your Avatar?

I suggest a good Hung Gar school, or Choy Li Fut school. These two styles have alot of solid kung fu foundations in them. Choy Li Fut has many more forms , but Hung gar has some very strong ones also. These forms are like learning the alphabet, when you learn them then you put word together and create stories. You need the foundations first.

Here is a bit aboit Hung Gar

The History of Hung Gar


Here is some more about Choy Li Fut

Choy Li Fut History

[Tom Yum]

It would help if we knew where you lived. That way we could at least websearch your area to get an idea of what's available. Otherwise I would say take your time and see all the schools in your criteria and don't be sweet talked into joining anything until you see everything. I might also look up youtube clips of various available styles to get an idea of what they're about.

On the other hand, what 8stepmantis says has alot of merit.

This would be an interesting style

YouTube - swedish chef turtle soup


Sorry couldn't help myself...

[TheSwedishChef]

It would help if we knew where you lived. That way we could at least websearch your area to get an idea of what's available. Otherwise I would say take your time and see all the schools in your criteria and don't be sweet talked into joining anything until you see everything. I might also look up youtube clips of various available styles to get an idea of what they're about.

On the other hand, what 8stepmantis says has alot of merit.

[8stepmantis]

Considering that you are 16

The correct answer is that the school must have two things.

1. Beautiful women in your age range.

2. sparring.


This will also motivate you to get better because you don't want to be constantly tapping out or getting knocked out in front fo the ladies you are trying to impress.

Its true that having a good instructor is important, but the most important thing is your motivation, intelligence and willingness to apply what you are learning.

[kingoftheforest]

Mission accomplished.

- can be read as nothing other than, "You shut the hell up and listen to me!" the above quote taken from a general discussion of MA and not an examination of a specific passage from a specific text anyway.

This is what I mean when I talk about his glaring insecurity as well. Clinging desperately and insistently on reference to a translation he was made to read
when his own skills, experience, and power to persuade are found to be lacking. It's the same reason people (again, like him) are looked upon as silly, insignificant LARPers by most when they go on and on about 'lineage' and such like little kids competing over Pokemon cards or something.

So the fact that in the argument you quoted (the whole thing) he proved through discussion how what the classics say backed up what he was explaining, and he was using the Classics as a reference to the acknowledged experts on CMA's.?

And that someone else was trying to apply non CMA principle in a discussion in the CMA forum about CMA principles?

Guess I think differently.

Um, plus I just don't like him...

This may be closer to the point.

We appreciate your honesty.



Well think I got all I need to from this.

Later
KOTF

[jubaji]

Otherwise I can't seem to see your comments as anything other than distractions. I just want clarification I can understand so I can take an unbiased view of why you think TTE is a fat crap filled windsack.

Well said, I may use that!

As to the point, I am not talking specifically about interpretation of texts (which we have established he is not qualified to do) but the invocation of them in order to try and demand that no one disagree. Very boar-like in that way, like Barney Fife waving a badge around and saying (in inimitable Don Knotts style) "Now you listen to me! I'm the law around here and what I say goes!" as he struggles to take that one bullet out of his breast pocket.

But I digress

I'm simply not going to spend my time listening to you tell me that your couple years of wushu and boxing/Thai boxing allow you to rewrite and correct the classics of the TCMA's to suit your interpretations.

- can be read as nothing other than, "You shut the hell up and listen to me!" the above quote taken from a general discussion of MA and not an examination of a specific passage from a specific text anyway.

This is what I mean when I talk about his glaring insecurity as well. Clinging desperately and insistently on reference to a translation he was made to read
when his own skills, experience, and power to persuade are found to be lacking. It's the same reason people (again, like him) are looked upon as silly, insignificant LARPers by most when they go on and on about 'lineage' and such like little kids competing over Pokemon cards or something.

Um, plus I just don't like him...

[kingoftheforest]

Absolutely not.

That clears that up thank you.

Absolutely, because he attempts to invoke them as a blanket authority for himself and denunciation of anyone who doesn't agree with everything he claims and/or calls him on his insecurities.

But you still haven't explained how is he using it to do this.

Are the interpretations he has out of context to what they meant originally?

If his context is in accordance with the interpretations and he is using them in the proper context, than either well known esteemed scholars translated it wrong,

or if it is right and he is in accordance with the original authors than either he is right or the original authors were not intelligent and were using these passages to make themselves look better.


I'm just not clear on which ne you're implying.

Can you quote what TTE says and break it down for the slower thinkers, we'd appreciate it greatly.


Otherwise I can't seem to see your comments as anything other than distractions. I just want clarification I can understand so I can take an unbiased view of why you think TTE is a fat crap filled windsack.

[martialartspeon]

So I guess what everyone is saying is don't study biblical texts at whatever martial arts school you attend

I have to agree that you find the teacher not the style. Also don't be afraid to have more than one teacher over time. To get started take a trip to some of the schools and see how they operate. Get feedback from any friends that practice martial arts.

[Ghost]

actually jubaji has a good point on this.
A lot is lost in translation. In fact lots of areas of the bible are thought to be misinterpreted due to this.
Things that are sayings or phrases that are not literal in the original text are taken literally in translation or replaced with similar phrases that have slightly different meanings that are open to misinterpretation given that certain phrases in certain contexts can be taken differently.

You cant be a full expert on a text if you dont understand the original. This requires a full knowledge of the original language.

You see this in literary studies, for instance if you take french literature at university you are also required to learn french, not simply read the translations.

Many phrases and words exist in other languages that dont exist in english, unless you have experience of the variety of situations in which these phrases and words are used you cant understand their true meaning and as i said before, a lot of other things are lost in translation.

The bible is a great example where it is well known the english version is full of mistakes and some parts are entirely wrong.

[jubaji]

So referencing other people who have expierence in what you're are studying is taboo now?.

Absolutely not.

Does he use these books and people he references in an improper manner? .

Absolutely, because he attempts to invoke them as a blanket authority for himself and denunciation of anyone who doesn't agree with everything he claims and/or calls him on his insecurities.

[jubaji]

Lots of Biblical experts can't read Hebrew or ancient Aramaic.

Then they are not much of 'experts.' Biblical scholars have studied those and other languages at least to the extent that they are aware of and can contextualize differences in translation from and to many different languages related to current and historical interpretation of the holy book.

[kingoftheforest]

What's 'wrong' is trying to use reference to them as a means of establishing himself as an authority.

So referencing other people who have expierence in what you're are studying is taboo now?

Does he use the things from these books and people he references in an improper manner or context?

If he's using the properly and explaining them correctly I said at least he knows and understands the information and at best he is an authority.

[kingoftheforest]

Sure I can. If one presumes to hold oneself up as an unimpeachable authority on a text, one should at the very least be able to read the original.

Lots of Biblical experts can't read Hebrew or ancient Aramaic.