JKD Phillosophy and art

[fenwick99]

yes, there was a lawsuit. Go to a flameboard like Bax's if you want the details.

[fenwick99]

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"if I wanted to kill you you'd be dead already."
Wasn't that quote by a non-martial-artist, Virgil Sollozo, in the Godfather?

If you look at the Inosanto website, he refers to his classes in the BL arts
as "jeet kuen" rather than jeet kunedo or jun fan, and I would assume
that it was because he lost his case to the Nucleus and he wants no further conflict on the matter.
In any case, if you look at the history of the Bruce Lee arts, you can see the evolution, and I believe that this evolution itself invalidates the standard arguments between partisans of ojkd and jkdc.
Bruce started with wing chun, then added western arts like boxing, wrestling,
savate, fencing, and Parker's kenpo. Dan Inosanto enriched the curriculum
immeasurably by adding muay thai, FMA, silat, bando, and ultimately shooto and BJJ. You are left with a matrix of disciplnes that covers all ranges and involves great training for self-defense. Of course, people are then free to choose which school to attend or which track to follow. What impresses me is that Dan was doing things like submission and muay thai long before the mma craze broke in 1993. Dan was studying Machado jiujitsu and shootwrestling with the top guys in those arts, and this was long before
Royce Gracie extracted a submission from Dan Severn.
But make no mistake: Guro Inosanto has always taught Bruce's art as Bruce taught it.

[Killing Sword]

Yet you felt compelled to retort as wittily and repeatedly as you have. Grow up man. I'm embarrassed for you.

[Troll Virus]

What a peculiar fellow you are. I don't know at what point I offended you but your attitude is pathetic. Your just being an ass for the sake of it, with no interest in actually having an intelligent debate like everyone else on this thread. Bad form

Not really.
You just haven't said anything more interesting or original than the typical twelve year old Bruce Lee fan.

[Killing Sword]

What a peculiar fellow you are. I don't know at what point I offended you but your attitude is pathetic. Your just being an ass for the sake of it, with no interest in actually having an intelligent debate like everyone else on this thread. Bad form

[Troll Virus]

This is ridiculous. We might as well be having a religious debate, I don't think anybody is benefiting from this banter. Apologies to anybody who took the time to read the pointless argument that was the last 8-9 posts.

No worries.
Come back to us when you have a point to discuss.

[Killing Sword]

This is ridiculous. We might as well be having a religious debate, I don't think anybody is benefiting from this banter. Apologies to anybody who took the time to read the pointless argument that was the last 8-9 posts.

[Troll Virus]

I disagree. Never mind.

Of importance, only to you.

Well, that was my my original point.

Glad I made it clearer for you.

Ok, I haven't ever suggested that training solely from books is,was or ever could be the right/best way to learn.

Nobody suggested you did, other than how your own posts could have been interpreted.

But I definitely don't believe that its worthless. Bruce lee learned a lot from reading relevant books.

[Killing Sword]

Not in the least pedantic.

I disagree. Never mind.

"The name is not the thing"?

Well, that was my my original point.

Yeah, he did.
Then he went out and tried things out for himself physically, rather than theoretically.

Ok, I haven't ever suggested that training solely from books is,was or ever could be the right/best way to learn.

[Troll Virus]

Slightly pedantic I think as the point I was intending to make survives the slight error in translation, however I'll concede and just say ok.

Not in the least pedantic.

I think this is irrelevant. I mean no offense to Bruce Lee's friends and family when i say that I don't think their opinions really make any difference. The fact is that there is huge confusion today as to what JKD is,what Bruce would be doing with it, who can or can't teach it etc. I get the impression that the name is a big part of the problem and Bruce new that.

"The name is not the thing"?

I'm not saying that learning from books alone is a good way of learning, of course it isn't. But I definitely don't believe that its worthless. Bruce lee learned a lot from reading relevant books.

Yeah, he did.
Then he went out and tried things out for himself physically, rather than theoretically.

[Killing Sword]

Kune or Kuen depending on the romanization means fist or hand, but not foot.

Slightly pedantic I think as the point I was intending to make survives the slight error in translation, however I'll concede and just say ok.

Something you might want to look into, is the Lee estate (Linda etc) deciding who can and can't use the name Jeet Kune Do for their teachings.

I think this is irrelevant. I mean no offense to Bruce Lee's friends and family when i say that I don't think their opinions really make any difference. The fact is that there is huge confusion today as to what JKD is,what Bruce would be doing with it, who can or can't teach it etc. I get the impression that the name is a big part of the problem and Bruce new that.

Book Fu?

I'm not saying that learning from books alone is a good way of learning, of course it isn't. But I definitely don't believe that its worthless. Bruce lee learned a lot from reading relevant books.

It's also conceivable that with an "experienced Jeet kune do practitioner you are at a greater risk of misinterpreting the information/message".

Couldn't agree more.

[Troll Virus]

OK then.

Of course you will all know that Jeet kune do translates into 'way of the intercepting fist or foot'

Kune or Kuen depending on the romanization means fist or hand, but not foot.

Bruce regretted having given it this name or any other as he feared that it having a name would imply a set structure and routine and it clearly has because people now argue about other people not practicing Jeet kune do because they do not know 'the Jeet kune do foundation techniques'. I say that there should be no such thing.

Something you might want to look into, is the Lee estate (Linda etc) deciding who can and can't use the name Jeet Kune Do for their teachings.

Now while I agree that without a guide on the journey to finding your own personal truth/way, you will have a very difficult time developing your skill set to sufficiently high a level, I disagree that your not studying Jeet kune do if you have only ever read the decent literature etc. If you really study the material and think about its meaning and make it true for you then you are at least practicing your own interpretation of Jeet kune do, which is what it was always intended to be.

Book Fu?

The problem you have to be aware of in this case is that without an experienced Jeet kune do practitioner you are at a greater risk of misinterpreting the information/message and that, in my opinion, is where you will really cease to be practicing the Jeet kune do that Bruce Lee developed.

It's also conceivable that with an "experienced Jeet kune do practitioner you are at a greater risk of misinterpreting the information/message".

[Killing Sword]

The same thing that has been discussed thus far, obviously. Unfortunately, I arrived late to said discussion and it ended abruptly as soon as I laid down my comment. I was keen to read what other people might have to say in response to my post.

[Troll Virus]

Right, seems nobody cares to discuss the matter any further. Shame that

What is it that you wish to discuss?

[Killing Sword]

Right, seems nobody cares to discuss the matter any further. Shame that