Clip-Vunak/Enigma Vid.

[Liberty]

It's entirely relevant in response to Bri's statement that good material can stand it. He criticised, as he so very often does, a man whose material has not only "stood it," but has contiued to evolve.

Is the argument true of all things in all situations? No. But if you change the context, you change the content. In response to Bri's point, it's totally valid and correct. Your real issue is with Bri's statement, and the idea that only worthwhile ideas last.

No disrespect to you, Mike, for that is always such a lame way out, but some of the notables on this link below might beg to differ - not to mention that Tackett's admissions on the link below regarding said "good material" matter are telling,to say the least.

Thai Bri is right; "good material can stand it." For, though I find I often disagree with what his conclusions say about his possible methods of thinking things through have been, his statement hereinabove regarding this matter is backed this time by the Expert Witness/Credible Evidence of some of the people on the link below:

http://jkdtalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=689&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I truly wish people on this forum would do as I have done here - when someone they normally disagree with is correct on something, rather than remain silent or resort to insults, payback, etc., we should check our pride and do what's right - side with that individaul.

In a sense forum postings objectively read often result in a kind of chi-sao feel about others - their pride, ego issues, compassion, true knowledge, etc, is revealed.

The sad fact is that there is enough "hate" and egotism out there on "martial" forums.... Too often I find myself thinking "What true martial artist/fighter would be so insincere-insecure as to have to resort to such things..."

You'd think we'd be grateful we can even have these forums and treat each other with respect. I'd better stop; I hear "God Bless America," beginning to go off in my head....

[g-bells]

Thai's right on this one. I've had to learn that one the hard way:

you guys remeber this one, right? You'll recall not one but two viciousbites did not stop their intended victim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StwBMTUTfc8

maybe not, but it can give you the clearance needed to
1. escape
2. gain the upperhand
3. open them up to were as you could beat them into another zip code

[Liberty]

Well, Bri - Pauls' been putting out tapes since around 1980, and he's had a loyal (and large) following since several years before that.

Looks like his stuff can stand it.

Makes me wonder why, after 30 or so years of "standing the test of time," you're still so quick to criticise him and his material.

How many centuries of "a loyal following' "standing the test of time" was it that JKD founder, Bruce Lee, was fighting.

Sorry Mike, I generally agree with most of your posts, but your arguement hereinabove is weak.

[Liberty]

Chew and swallw, yes. It could be your last meal when the guy who's cheek you're eating decided to stomp all over your head.

My point is this - biting will not stop highly adrenalised tough guys.

Thai's right on this one. I've had to learn that one the hard way:

you guys remeber this one, right? You'll recall not one but two viciousbites did not stop their intended victim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StwBMTUTfc8

I am quick to criticise. Good stuff can stand it.

Quick to generalise? Not too sure what you mean there.

You're making a fairly bold assumption that good stuff will even care.

In all of your posts I have read on the topic of JKD you make generic statements, largely negative, based on limited understanding and experience of the subject matter. Thats what I mean.

[Thai Bri]

I am quick to criticise. Good stuff can stand it.

Quick to generalise? Not too sure what you mean there.

Its OK, you can drop the pop psychology. I've just read my post back and I agree it comes across as defensive, and shitty - so I apologise.

I have never used Kina Mutai so its not a belief, its an understanding. You don't have to believe in every single thing you teach, but you should fully understand it, and I understand the use of Kina Mutai as a very small part of a larger strategy.

My issue is that your comments were, in my opinion, based on a lack of understanding - which is why I challenged them, albeit not in the best way. I still maintain though Bri, further a to a few conversations on here, that you are far to quick to generalise, and criticise.

[Thai Bri]

I know what your point is, it is based on 30 seconds of video footage, which is why I couldn't be bothered offering a serious response.

Nothing in isolation will stop the opponent you describe. The use of Kina Mutai forms a fraction of a far wider strategy, it has it's place at a given moment, it is by no means the beginning or end of the story.

I know that you already know all of this, you just wanted to have a dig at the video.

That is so defensive. Maybe you are not as secure in your belief's as you think.

[Joe Hubbard]

I think it’s important to point out that the “biting” Vu is talking about is uninterrupted biting from a propitious position where the other guy cannot counter with his bite. The technique is meant to create space in order to neutralise the threat of being pinned down and killed by a bigger man. As Michael put it- only a part of a much bigger picture.

I quite like the clip; there is nothing new in there, but Vu is Vu; you either like it or not. Personally I wouldn’t have thrown the stick away while grounded, but biting and gouging fosters good muscle memory for extreme encounters. I have trained with him and he is the first to clarify the context in which you would resort to biting. It is not a “catch-all” technique that he espouses in a cavalier way; it is a brutal solution for extreme circumstances.

A quote from Vu: “Biting isn’t exactly healthy behaviour in this day and age, but if your wife and kid are being dragged into a van and you are pinned down by a bigger guy, you had better start biting.” (Paraphrased slightly)

A quote from Hock: “If I’m in the process of dying then I am going to bite regardless of being stricken down with HIV; in ten years there might be a cure, but right here and now the only thing that might save me is biting! Two choices- die now or in ten years possibly. I am going for the ten year gamble.”

Out

Joe

[Shoot]

I really enjoy Vu's videos. Yes, he's intense, but necessary in this age of sport fighting. I absolutely love MMA and what it's done for injecting reality, but even more reality is needed. Next time you're walking in a dangerous part of town imagine being confronted by a crazy man. I agree that biting and gouging are the "simple solution" to the technical art that is BJJ and ground fighting and really do not afford a response besides "all the way." Of course degrees of violence are necessary. IN that range of degrees of violence, the ability to close the deal all the way is necessary. A back ally assault is not a sport.

Vunak knows one thing that we should all get familiar with: you fight like you train.

If you can't kill and maim, then you can't fully protect yourself.

Chew and swallw, yes. It could be your last meal when the guy who's cheek you're eating decided to stomp all over your head.

My point is this - biting will not stop highly adrenalised tough guys.

I know what your point is, it is based on 30 seconds of video footage, which is why I couldn't be bothered offering a serious response.

Nothing in isolation will stop the opponent you describe. The use of Kina Mutai forms a fraction of a far wider strategy, it has it's place at a given moment, it is by no means the beginning or end of the story.

I know that you already know all of this, you just wanted to have a dig at the video.

[Knuckles&Knees]

He does look mad, as in he has rage, but I don't know, I guess it is what it is (whatever that is).

I liked the video though, I especially liked what he said about the disabled kid, and I very much agree with him what *confidence* can do for you in life - in terms of bringing a peace inside you.

Shaolin Buddhist monks have been saying this for years - that a sense of physical confidence will transmit over into your spiritual confidence and growth.

I like the way he worked that bag at the end too. The music had its place as he was dealing with the spiritual aspect of humans too, and music as we know from the old "negro spirituals" sung by slaves in North America can carry you morally over the metaphorical hill top. Music also has an outstanding quality in Capoiera... and I swear to god the music and clapping in Capoeira can hype you up in a big way.

[Thai Bri]

Chew and swallw, yes. It could be your last meal when the guy who's cheek you're eating decided to stomp all over your head.

My point is this - biting will not stop highly adrenalised tough guys.

chew and swallow I guess

Vu left his formal contract with the SEALs in 1991, but still acts as a consultant to a number of units

and he is mad

[Thai Bri]

"If you're in a life or death fight..... bite?"

Then what?

And he's still going on about the Seals? Wasn't that over a decade ago?

Sorry Mike. I know he's a hell of a martial artist and has been a great friend to you..... but this is poor. And he comes across as a bit mad.

ps - please ask him to ditch the drums...... please.