Is JKD really worth it?

[Ben Grimm]

Al TigerClaw talks about is his version of TCMA and how he interprets things that he doesn't fully understand.

[Tant01]

Good fun..

I don't see Tiger Claw as half the distraction to good discussion and debate as some other people. Let him post. He is actually talking about martial arts as he sees them, and that's more than we can say for some other miscreants that are allowed to unchecked for numerous violations and infractions.

I'm all for the free entertainment. This place is a mad house. I'm just really growing weary of all the flaming. And the fanning of the flames.

I need a break, LOL

[jubaji]

I don't see Tiger Claw as half the distraction to good discussion and debate as some other people. Let him post. He is actually talking about martial arts as he sees them, and that's more than we can say for some other miscreants that are allowed to unchecked for numerous violations and infractions.

Hmmmm, the passive-aggressive attitude of a snippy but less than confident haus-frau. Very appropriate.

[Tant01]

And/or

Well, actually your right. NOTHING about JKD is unique or new. Bruce Lee even said that. He did not "discover" a new style or system. He studied already well accomplished systems and applied the best parts of them to fit his physical and mental attributes.

That's what JKD is.... "Absorb what is useful"

I'm just curious... how many people involved this topic have actually read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do???

Reading is one thing... DOING is another thing...

[Flaves]

"Ecenomy of motion" is one of the fundamental principles of JKD but it is not UNIQUE to JKD or WC. Other southern and northers styles of Kung fu also follow the same basic principles.

Well, actually your right. NOTHING about JKD is unique or new. Bruce Lee even said that. He did not "discover" a new style or system. He studied already well accomplished systems and applied the best parts of them to fit his physical and mental attributes.

That's what JKD is.... "Absorb what is useful"

I'm just curious... how many people involved this topic have actually read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do???

[Clubber Lang]

I'm growing weary of the way your thoughts drift TC. There is a pattern to your posts that is beyond redundant

Sorry, but I'm with Tant01 on this one. Invading every topic and repeating the same (odd) points about your own art, isn't a great contribution. imo.

[fire cobra]

Tiger Claw had some good things to say about blocking on his last post i think,then again what do i know i dont do JKD just being nosey!.

[Uke]

I'm growing weary of the way your thoughts drift TC. There is a pattern to your posts that is beyond redundant.

You can make some feeble attempt at contributing to the thread without dragging it into the quagmire again.

Thank you.

"Ecenomy of motion" is one of the fundamental principles of JKD but it is not UNIQUE to JKD or WC. Other southern and northers styles of Kung fu also follow the same basic principles.

I don't see Tiger Claw as half the distraction to good discussion and debate as some other people. Let him post. He is actually talking about martial arts as he sees them, and that's more than we can say for some other miscreants that are allowed to unchecked for numerous violations and infractions.

[Tant01]

Lets try again...

While I agree that JKD is very effective if practiced hard. I cannot agree with the foundational premise,

You said,

"Because it's based on using as the most direct,economical techinique to accomplish your goal"

This principle seems to be directed against some traditional Kung Fu styles that some would think have alot of wasted movements and useless flowery technique.

......lets say a MMA fight we don't see very much blocking, really we don't. I know some will say there is blocking, but I have watched and i see very little. .....

...Just some thoughts

I'm growing weary of the way your thoughts drift TC. There is a pattern to your posts that is beyond redundant.

You can make some feeble attempt at contributing to the thread without dragging it into the quagmire again.

Thank you.

"Ecenomy of motion" is one of the fundamental principles of JKD but it is not UNIQUE to JKD or WC. Other southern and northers styles of Kung fu also follow the same basic principles.

Because it's based on using as the most direct,economical techinique to accomplish your goal. Yes it sounds simple but it takes years train your body and mind to just react properly in a given situation without hesitation.You must be willing to put in the time and effort.JKD is'nt a fancy thing and to some it may look plain but in the end it does'nt matter how it looks beacuse the fact is it does

While I agree that JKD is very effective if practiced hard. I cannot agree with the foundational premise,

You said,

"Because it's based on using as the most direct,economical techinique to accomplish your goal"

This principle seems to be directed against some traditional Kung Fu styles that some would think have alot of wasted movements and useless flowery technique. But sometimes the most direct, economical technique is not the best. There is a reason for many so called fancy circular and flowery techniques in Kung Fu. Take for example a side shifting in a snake style of fighting, and deflecting to attack from angles etc these are flowing circular techniques that may appear wasted to some, but they are not. Or for example, when we watch , lets say a MMA fight we don't see very much blocking, really we don't. I know some will say there is blocking, but I have watched and i see very little. It is more like both men lunge in hoping to connect before the other connects and see who gets hit first. But in kung fu blocking has very specific intentions. Blocking and circular techniques are not wasted movement if they are done right and they can set the opponent up for a fatal blow. They also control the opponent etc. Or some so called fancy stances and form type fighting might seem wasted to some, but if done right it is very effective.

But yet some may look at blocking often as wasted movement.

Just some thoughts

[Ben Grimm]

Yes, it's become more of a McStyle these days. Bruce would be rolling in his grave.

[Flaves]

The irony is, most people in JKD are so caught up in hero worship and "this is what Bruce Lee would have wanted" or "I must copy everything Dan Inosanto does", and the message has been completely lost.

I agree with that. A lot of people are. My personal Jeet Kune Do does not completely follow the Inosanto system. I have explored other systems/styles such as further study into Wing Chun, Krav Maga, Boxing and CSW. But you are right, many people strictly follow what is taught and don't seek out other sources of instructors, styles, etc.

Then of course there are the "Buy your JKD certification on Ebay" people, that have really diluted and devalued the art.

[Clubber Lang]

For me personally, the most worth you can gain from the concept of JKD is that of personal expression. Research your own experiences and honestly express your own personal martial arts journey. In essence, just be your own man.

The irony is, most people in JKD are so caught up in hero worship and "this is what Bruce Lee would have wanted" or "I must copy everything Dan Inosanto does", and the message has been completely lost.

[Ben Grimm]

The principles of JKD are worth it, if you can make them work for you.

[Tant01]

By the way... I think it is "worth it" Whatever it is...

I consider myself fortunate to have had the opportunity to get a taste of june fan kung fu