Most Under-rated Martial Art

[kingoftheforest]

One last thing before I go.

Shi is THE acknowledged top fighting monk of the Shoalin temple.

He is their top and foremost fighting monk and is recognized by the Shoalin community as the foremost authority on the Shoalin fighting system. He is proven in armed and unarmed combat.

So yeah I mean really he isn't anybody special. You can look him up if you want. I know some people who act like researching things on their own is a waste of their time and would rather have the answer given to them on a platter than to find it their self.

Those people are usually the most ignorant. I also know I am allowed my opinion and till I find something to change it it will be thus so. But isn't that what this thread is about opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs. Some people just don't want to think that they could be wrong and that's fine. I was young once too so I know how it is to feel like you have all the answers and you are certain your right.

I also know what it's like to train n MMA's and in non-sport arts. This is where I draw my opinions from. Experience. Other people on this forum have had different experiences and have formed different opinions. I can respect that. But mine will remain the same till I seem something that proves to me otherwise.

KOTF out.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Im sure theres alot of people who he wouldnt break.

[kingoftheforest]

Kwan Saihung, His disciple Deng-Ming-Dao, Tim Cartmell, Vince Black and Shi DeJian to name a few.

With the exception of Tim and Vince good luck with that. Shi would break your ass the minute you even mention MMA in the same room as him I'm sure.

[TTEscrima]

never mind that last bit.


What i really wanted to know was who the instructors are that you were talking about....

Kwan Saihung, His disciple Deng-Ming-Dao, Tim Cartmell, Vince Black and Shi DeJian to name a few.

[kingoftheforest]

The Korean mercenaries working along with American forces in Vietnam had plenty of opportunities to show how TKD was effective at close quarters. However, any martial art trained at a sport reduces it to just that - still TKD matches can end in knockouts.

I didn't know this until tant0 pointed out but Judo was an art intended to be used for no rules as well (no suprise seeing as it comes from Juijitsu) - its sport version is still effective.

Also the art called TKD that the R.O.K. soldiers used incorporated punches as well as no kicks higher than they could raise their knees. This meant usually below the waist kicks to the legs. You chop the tree down the cut off the upper branches. I.E. you mess the guys legs up while keeping his head and hands busy with your hands then you kick the shit out of his head when he drops.

The fancy flying stuff wasn't really big to after the 60's and nobody kicked with the top of their feet till after that also it was all done with the ball of the foot.

[Tom Yum]

Winning trophies or whatever does take alot of hard work and training, unless its for a girl sport like Taekwondo where even the blackbelt doesnt mean shit.

The Korean mercenaries working along with American forces in Vietnam had plenty of opportunities to show how TKD was effective at close quarters. However, any martial art trained at a sport reduces it to just that - still TKD matches can end in knockouts.

I didn't know this until tant0 pointed out but Judo was an art intended to be used for no rules as well (no suprise seeing as it comes from Juijitsu) - its sport version is still effective.

[kingoftheforest]

never mind that last bit.


What i really wanted to know was who the instructors are that you were talking about....

I guess you could interpret that that way so let me clarify. What I was saying was that instead of the hard work they put in being the only reward they need something else to prove to themselves that it was worth it. I didn't mean they didn't work hard.

I can see how the wording could be read either way though.

The only instructor I can personally vouch for is Boarspear but I am sure there are others I just can't vouch for them. Other than possibly James Patrick Lacy

! Mew Hing's 18 Daoist Palms System - Main Index - Five Elder Arts - James Lacy .

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I missed the part where I said it wasn't hard work to train to win trophies????

Everybody is too interested in winning belts and trophies anymore, outer gratification and proof "they are good". Instead of hard work and training paying off for itself.

never mind that last bit.


What i really wanted to know was who the instructors are that you were talking about....

[kingoftheforest]

It's called Mind-Set but you have to have a mind to have one

I missed the part where I said it wasn't hard work to train to win trophies????

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

No there are people who still teach it the right way and train it properly they are just few and far between. Everybody is too interested in winning belts and trophies anymore, outer gratification and proof "they are good". Instead of hard work and training paying off for itself.

Who are these instructors???



Winning trophies or whatever does take alot of hard work and training, unless its for a girl sport like Taekwondo where even the blackbelt doesnt mean shit.

[kingoftheforest]

maybe thats just what its been reduced too.

No there are people who still teach it the right way and train it properly they are just few and far between. Everybody is too interested in winning belts and trophies anymore, outer gratification and proof "they are good". Instead of hard work and training paying off for itself.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

standard western boxing

i agree, fuckin deadly

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I gotta defend Tai Chi. Because of all the tree hugging hippie-esce people who have bastardized it into some hipster old people health nut crap. Tai Chi is actually very effective.

Most people just don't want to put in the time and think it's some airy fairy crap due to western cultures view of it. In fact it seems to me western culture as hurt a lot of Asian arts.

maybe thats just what its been reduced too.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

If you consider wrestling a martial art , then i think it is very underrated among people who are not into real fighting in general. Boxing too. Most people think of Karate and TKD being so deadly especially if youre a black belt in one of them...

[jubaji]

I gotta defend Tai Chi. Because of all the tree hugging hippie-esce people who have bastardized it into some hipster old people health nut crap. Tai Chi is actually very effective.

Most people just don't want to put in the time and think it's some airy fairy crap due to western cultures view of it. In fact it seems to me western culture as hurt a lot of Asian arts.

Not so sure about that. If its an unfair reputation, its one fairly earned. Go to any big city in China and stroll the public parks and the vast majority of folks doing taiji are old folks getting some exercise and not fighting masters honing their deadly skills. Can't blame 'da West' for that.