Men Vs Women

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its a hard question to answer. i think the majority of what is said in this thread is true as far as men and women in general(well except crap about attitude and mindset, I dont think anyone can say what is generally true in that respect- unless you are psychic ). My gut reaction to this thread is 'which man? which woman?" because biological features vary so much from person to person its impossible to say without looking at it on an individual level. if you want to say a typical male vs typical female i would bet on the guy, but like everything in life there is considerable grey area because not every woman is going to be like most woman, and ditto for the men. I think my family's genes are a big reason i have this opinion, the women on my mothers side have bodies with broad shoulders and narrow hips, and gain and keep muscle much more easily than most women. im sure weve all seen skinny guys who have a very hard time gaining muscle too. The fact that most women are just plain smaller than most men makes a big difference, its just not possible to gain the sheer amount of muscle tissue that a larger person can. Most women have advantages in other sports, so its nothing to get angry over. Most womens biological characteristics are a huge advantage in some situations (famine and endurance type challenges in particular) and not in others. I believe strongly that this has nothing to do with one sex being 'better' than the other, these things are advantages or disadvatages depending entirely on the situation where they are applied. just my 2 cents.

[Little Apple]

Oh ha ha Garland.

I think this: It really depends on the person, I've seen people who learn fast and have great technique, but have little to no fighting ability (be it from timing, agressiveness, or whatever). I've also seen the reverse, and everything in between, and from both genders no less. Having said that, guys seem to want to fight more, numbers-wise. Not sure if that points out some kind of pre-disposition or not, but there it is.

[treelizard]

[QUOTE=J-Luck;272769]My point is that spatial and mechanical intelligence is more highly developed in men.
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I was wondering whether you really think that people with high levels of spatial and mechanical intelligence would be better fighters.

Just how much spatial and mechanical intelligence is necessary to, say, kick a bag?

[jubaji]

Did you read my post man. The same. The only "difference" would be the bone structure which is basically something you cannot change by working out. A man and a woman can have the same amount of muscle mass and in this hypathetical case, imagine they do.

Please read the post before you vote.

So, your high school doesn't teach anatomy until after the freshman year then?

[J-Luck]

I disagree. The difference is not in intelligence, but in perception.

My point is that spatial and mechanical intelligence is more highly developed in men. It's well known amongst psycologists(those who are qualified to interpret and determine the functions of intelligence). Women are lacking in those areas, and therefore have less potential/practical ability, as a whole. Has nothing to do with perception.

Don't take it as an attack though. Women have been proven to have higher levels of intelligence in other areas, though areas not affecting martial arts.

[treelizard]

I disagree. The difference is not in intelligence, but in perception.

[J-Luck]

I've certainly seen women try to muscle through things, but when they realize it doesn't work they pick up better technique. And although I know a ton of men with great technique, I've also seen a lot of men basically ignore technique and muscle through things. At a couple BJJ gyms I know they put guys like this through a program that's called "you go really slow while everyone else goes fast." A lot of them quit. I definitely think men are more cut out physically, emotionally, etc. for fighting, BUT I also think women absolutely have to learn better technique to hold their own on the matts than men do. Every once in a while women with good technique get better than men with bad technique--pure strength stops working after a while. That's all.

My Olylifting coach says his women lifters have better technique and in arts like taijutsu that use your whole entire body women often progress faster because they are used to doing this in day to day life.

The problems women face in martial arts (and there are many) are pretty well-known but I think it's important for women to recognize when/where they have an advantage--and for male coaches/sifus as well.

Having said that I've only tapped out one guy once, ever... and I've only outlifted guys that don't train seriously. I hope it's good motivation for them to train harder!

Ehh... I understand what you're saying, but I try not to put too much faith in experience as opposed to well known facts. Men have, in general, a greater capacity towards mechanical and spacial intelligence. It simply provides for better technique.

That being said, I do think there are women out there who have technique like men. There are plenty of them. But as a whole, it's not common.

[treelizard]

I would disagree with you about women and technique. I feel men on average, learn fast, and have better technique when it comes to fighting arts. The anatomy of a man(bone structure, muscle mass) weighs heavily on this issue, also man's natural inclination towards physical fitness and spacial intelligence.

I've certainly seen women try to muscle through things, but when they realize it doesn't work they pick up better technique. And although I know a ton of men with great technique, I've also seen a lot of men basically ignore technique and muscle through things. At a couple BJJ gyms I know they put guys like this through a program that's called "you go really slow while everyone else goes fast." A lot of them quit. I definitely think men are more cut out physically, emotionally, etc. for fighting, BUT I also think women absolutely have to learn better technique to hold their own on the matts than men do. Every once in a while women with good technique get better than men with bad technique--pure strength stops working after a while. That's all.

My Olylifting coach says his women lifters have better technique and in arts like taijutsu that use your whole entire body women often progress faster because they are used to doing this in day to day life.

The problems women face in martial arts (and there are many) are pretty well-known but I think it's important for women to recognize when/where they have an advantage--and for male coaches/sifus as well.

Having said that I've only tapped out one guy once, ever... and I've only outlifted guys that don't train seriously. I hope it's good motivation for them to train harder!

[gregimotis]

I have known a number of fantastic women fighters; however eight times out of ten, I feel that men are psychologically better prepared for fighting. This may be largely hormonal, I couldn't say, but men like the idea of fighting on primal level much more than women IMO.

For this reason also I think men, as a generality, start off with an advantage over women. Down deep, we want to be warriors.

[J-Luck]

Did you read my post man. The same. The only "difference" would be the bone structure which is basically something you cannot change by working out. A man and a woman can have the same amount of muscle mass and in this hypathetical case, imagine they do.

Please read the post before you vote.

So this is a fantasy post... hmmmm

[J-Luck]

Simple answer - The man would win. Men have more muscle mass which means they can hit harder.

Tim

And they're quicker. It's really unfair to compare a women and and man of the same weight. You need the women to out weigh the man by a substantial amount to have the same muscle mass.

[J-Luck]

So essentially you're saying that you treat everyone in a rude manner with no respect? There's a difference between having guts/balls and being a rude ass.

Tim

Wow, Tim be ROASTIN DUDES...

[J-Luck]

I say the guy wins. I'm trying to find studies I've read that indicate women handle prolonged pain better but men handle blunt trauma better, so that in and of itself... not to even mention muscle mass...

And yeah women whose body fat percentage is too low stop menstruating... that means your bones are in danger of calcium depletion, which probably wouldn't be particularly useful in a fight situation.

I do have a collection of links of women beating men in fights so yeah, it is possible...

I do think there are some areas women really excel in that take longer for men to learn. Primarily what I've noticed is that women (and smaller men) have to use technique because of their size. I've seen this in Olylifting too. So that's the good news, I guess--if women keep plugging away and getting better technique (etc.), there will come a time when the men who are training wrong and muscling through things will realize that won't work anymore against the same opponents. And on that day, they will be very sad.

I would disagree with you about women and technique. I feel men on average, learn fast, and have better technique when it comes to fighting arts. The anatomy of a man(bone structure, muscle mass) weighs heavily on this issue, also man's natural inclination towards physical fitness and spacial intelligence.

[treelizard]

I say the guy wins. I'm trying to find studies I've read that indicate women handle prolonged pain better but men handle blunt trauma better, so that in and of itself... not to even mention muscle mass...

And yeah women whose body fat percentage is too low stop menstruating... that means your bones are in danger of calcium depletion, which probably wouldn't be particularly useful in a fight situation.

I do have a collection of links of women beating men in fights so yeah, it is possible...

I do think there are some areas women really excel in that take longer for men to learn. Primarily what I've noticed is that women (and smaller men) have to use technique because of their size. I've seen this in Olylifting too. So that's the good news, I guess--if women keep plugging away and getting better technique (etc.), there will come a time when the men who are training wrong and muscling through things will realize that won't work anymore against the same opponents. And on that day, they will be very sad.

[Tim Mousel]

And yes, yes I do have guts/ball/etc. And no, I do not bother to read the little titles under peoples names, I typically just treat everyone the same. It's my manner of respect. Alot of people don't like it though :P

So essentially you're saying that you treat everyone in a rude manner with no respect? There's a difference between having guts/balls and being a rude ass.

Tim