How much time?

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

you could have 10 years experience and when going to fight in thailand, would still recommend 6 months in camp before fighting.

WTF?!?!?!?!?! yep.

the one thing that gets overlooked in a discussion about trining in thailand is listening skills. your listening skills. most thai instructors don't know a great deal of any foreign languages. these are the people that will be cornering you. when you are training in the camp, you are not only being taught technique, but also conditioned to react instantly to your coach. they won't put you in the ring if they don't believe you are capable of fighting and listening.

no matter what, you will be looking at months. it will not be wasted time. just put your time in and go go go!!!!

thanks.

[Ghost]

Ok thanks. I guess I'll have to train for more than a month before I fight. I don't know how much time I'm going to spend in Bangkok when I go back to Thailand, so I might not get the chance to fight, but either way I'm going to train hard and approach it like I'm training for a fight.

My trainer had close to 300 fights, but he's retired now. He also fought and won in Europe. It's not really a camp... just a small gym in Bangkok. My brother and I were the only foreigners there. There were a few other Thai guys in their 20's and a bunch of little kids. They helped us out too. Judging from the trophies, newspaper articles on the wall, and stories (translated by the one guy's wife) they were pretty good. We got to train there because our friend's father knows the owner... so I don't think he would just put me out there to get my ass beat to make some money. We asked him how long we would have to train to fight.. he didn't even bring it up. I know how some Thai people are and I could be wrong, but...

if you trust him mate do it. the worst that can happen is you lose the fight and thats not exactly the end of the world is it. and with any luck youll win it.

good luck with everything.

[bmac685]

Ok thanks. I guess I'll have to train for more than a month before I fight. I don't know how much time I'm going to spend in Bangkok when I go back to Thailand, so I might not get the chance to fight, but either way I'm going to train hard and approach it like I'm training for a fight.

My trainer had close to 300 fights, but he's retired now. He also fought and won in Europe. It's not really a camp... just a small gym in Bangkok. My brother and I were the only foreigners there. There were a few other Thai guys in their 20's and a bunch of little kids. They helped us out too. Judging from the trophies, newspaper articles on the wall, and stories (translated by the one guy's wife) they were pretty good. We got to train there because our friend's father knows the owner... so I don't think he would just put me out there to get my ass beat to make some money. We asked him how long we would have to train to fight.. he didn't even bring it up. I know how some Thai people are and I could be wrong, but...

[cowpaste]

either you are a beginner or change gym back home.

Your opinion is nice, but truthfully, it is hard to find instructors in my area with the following characteristics:

- Teaches Muay Thai
- Knows how to teach
- Not greedy
- Not full of BS
- 100+ ring experience
- Affordable

Even honest, qualified instructors still have to deal with higher rent and higher standards of living when to compared to say...Thailand.

[Ghost]

Looks like you already are missing the perspective , there is a Thai guy that is giving you a sincere opinion by his own standards , Do you think that you have a better opinion citeria and experience ? Oranges and apples. Again we donot know enuff , is this guy experienced or What? Some times you learn the hard way.But a good instructor makes a world of difference . Again you think that they have less experience? you ´re creating a circle of mistrust.

im fully aware of what some instructors can be like.
anything to get guys to stay at their gym.

sorry mate ive got enough exerpience to make these comments, yes.

im interested in safety. not a "circle of trust or mistrust" whatever that is.

there are plenty of dodgy instructors in thailand, and plenty of good ones. what you are suggesting is blind faith instead of reasoned logic.

[rickyparis]

agree, i think its a waste of time.

i have actually seen fights like these and they are generally embarassing and ultimately pointless.

Looks like you already are missing the perspective , there is a Thai guy that is giving you a sincere opinion by his own standards , Do you think that you have a better opinion citeria and experience ? Oranges and apples. Again we donot know enuff , is this guy experienced or What? Some times you learn the hard way.But a good instructor makes a world of difference . Again you think that they have less experience? you ´re creating a circle of mistrust.

[Ghost]

I've learned more in one month of training in Thailand than I have in one year of training "back home." Regardless, I think an ideal first fight should be amateur competition, not pro. Unfortunately, I don't think amateur competition is that common in Thailand.

either you are a beginner or change gym back home.

[cowpaste]

I've learned more in one month of training in Thailand than I have in one year of training "back home." Regardless, I think an ideal first fight should be amateur competition, not pro. Unfortunately, I don't think amateur competition is that common in Thailand.

[Ghost]

i get the fairtex vibe here.

[sportmuaythai]

sportsmuaythai.

But I think its not as easy as home.
In Thailand you get mote intense traning yes. But at home you could get a good instructor to know you better I think.
I speak from my own experince. I would die for my instructor here at home. He is the best for me. In Thailand I havent got that feeling. But then I havent tranied at one place for some monthes at a time.

Dear WT, You could as well not connect with your local trainer, and connect well with a trainer in Thailand. Fortunately, I train at a very large gym and get to select trainers that I'm most comfortable with. So if my personal trainer doesn't show up due to whatever, i still have my second, third and fourth spare trainer.

I am. What of it?

fire cobra has already answered your question for me. Don't forget that it's one on on in Thailand. So 500 hours training is fully attended.

One other thing that you guys got in on.

A fight between two fighters that has been traning for 3 months each.
Is that a good and skilled fight?
Is that something that you want to see in the ring?

I have seen some fights were two peaple have foght and non of them are good in skill.
And I hate dose fights. Thay shouldent be in the ring.??? To get in the ring I think you should have erned it with alot of hard work and for a long time.

Dear Tiger, in any sport, you'll find that learning curve rises sharply thru competition. You cannot deny that three minutesX5 will teach a fighter much more than five hours of intensive training. One thing I can say is that most refs in Thailand are aware when they see a Farang fighter, and will step in if he feels that the fighter could hurt himself. If you're only interested in good fight, you can be selective and go to Rajdamnern or Lumpinee.

I'd like to point out that conditions of my reply were per thread starter's.

I got a lot of attention because it (the camp) was so small compared to the camps, I'm guessing. In the 8 days that I was there, I really improved, and my trainer said that he thinks I could be really good, I know that my trainer knows what he's talking about, and maybe he knows better than I do when I'll be ready.
Thanks.

He is learning well from his trainer.

[Ghost]

I guess I misunderstood your first comment. Sorry.

thats ok, i think 6 months in thailand would be more comparable to one year in the west, i dont disagree with your one year suggestion at all. 6 months in thailand would be my bare minimum. one year is solid, i wouldnt pick an arguement with that suggestion at all.

[Ghost]

One other thing that you guys got in on.

A fight between two fighters that has been traning for 3 months each.
Is that a good and skilled fight?
Is that something that you want to see in the ring?

I have seen some fights were two peaple have foght and non of them are good in skill.
And I hate dose fights. Thay shouldent be in the ring. To get in the ring I think you should have erned it with alot of hard work and for a long time.

agree, i think its a waste of time.

i have actually seen fights like these and they are generally embarassing and ultimately pointless.

[WhiteTiger]

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One other thing that you guys got in on.

A fight between two fighters that has been traning for 3 months each.
Is that a good and skilled fight?
Is that something that you want to see in the ring?

I have seen some fights were two peaple have foght and non of them are good in skill.
And I hate dose fights. Thay shouldent be in the ring. To get in the ring I think you should have erned it with alot of hard work and for a long time.

[Ghost]

I honestly would Ghost yes(not everybody of course),and i honestly have on more than one occasion put a fighter in after 3 months dedicated training,of course i make sure the weight,age and experience of the boys are the same.

The learning curve is different for fighters imho,some learn quick others slower,some come into the gym and can fight already(in there make up)others cant,in fact trying holding some of them back from fighting for a year! some are so keen all they want to do is compete.

I understand and respect your point of view,but only can speak from my experience as a former ring fighter and coach.

Fair enough, id be instested to see what a fight like that actually looks like, but your entitled to do things the way you see best. so thats cool.

you are obviously being careful with who you match them with.

[fire cobra]

I honestly would Ghost yes(not everybody of course),and i honestly have on more than one occasion put a fighter in after 3 months dedicated training,of course i make sure the weight,age and experience of the boys are the same.

The learning curve is different for fighters imho,some learn quick others slower,some come into the gym and can fight already(in there make up)others cant,in fact trying holding some of them back from fighting for a year! some are so keen all they want to do is compete.

I understand and respect your point of view,but only can speak from my experience as a former ring fighter and coach.