Gunman Kills 21 on Virginia Tech campus

[treelizard]

looks like i was right, considering the gunman wasnt stopped until he chose to take his own life.

That doesn't mean there was nothing that could have been done. It just means people didn't do the right things.

[DickHardman]

No, you just said there's nothing anyone could have done.

looks like i was right, considering the gunman wasnt stopped until he chose to take his own life.

[treelizard]

What if there had been someone who also had a firearm? How might that have changed the scenario?

A gun would help but even without a gun you just need a guy to pick up the fucking table and rush him and another guy to go around the side and slam him with a chair. Or SOMETHING. I'm sure once they started other people would be more likely to help.

[DickHardman]

What if there had been someone who also had a firearm? How might that have changed the scenario?

it would have increased the chances of stopping the rampaging gunman, thats for sure.

[treelizard]

i never said anything about hiding under desks, you did.

No, you just said there's nothing anyone could have done. Not if you think like that there isn't.

[Sagacious Lu]

sometimes you have to face reality.

unarmed students vs gunman with multiple firearms and tons of ammo.....who do you think is going to win? especially when most of the students were taken by surprise.

its not being defeatist, its just reality. you guys seem to imply you could have done better in that situation or that the students are to blame for not being able to stop the gunman who btw took his own life. he wasnt even stopped by police or security, he ended the rampage when he chose to.

What if there had been someone who also had a firearm? How might that have changed the scenario?

[DickHardman]

I'm not blaming the students, I'm blaming the teachers. And you're the only one here who has said you would hide under a desk. The first step is to think about the situation and decide if you're going to be a victim or if you're going to take decisive action. Based on your posts I think I know what you'd have done.

i never said anything about hiding under desks, you did.

what are you blaming the teachers for? getting capped?

[treelizard]

exactly.

so you can say that you would do this and you would do that, but the fact is you werent there so show the students some respect. and no, you most likely wouldnt have done anything to help any of those students so dont disrespect by trying to judge them and blame them.

You're the only one here who has said you would hide under a desk. The first step is to think about the situation and decide if you're going to be a victim or if you're going to take decisive action. Based on your posts I think I know what you'd have done.

[DickHardman]

No, I wasn't there

exactly.

so you can say that you would do this and you would do that, but the fact is you werent there so show the students some respect. and no, you most likely wouldnt have done anything to help any of those students so dont disrespect them by trying to judge them and blame them.

[owarujitsu]

OK , IF YOU HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED SELF DEFENSE TRAINING....HERES A REALLY GOOD EXCUSE..... I HAVE TOLD MY FAMILY, FRIENDS AND TRAINING PARTNERS ABOUT THIS KIND OF CRAP HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY...AN NOW IT IS IN THE HEADLINES......."All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke).....ABSOLUTE TRUTH

[treelizard]

were you actually there? did you actually see any of this for yourself?? i bet its real easy to sit behind your computer and judge people you dont even know while implying that you could have done better just because you have taken a few martial arts lessons....

No, I wasn't there but I decided a long time ago I'd give my life if necessary to protect my students. If you want to make a decision to hide under a desk while watching those around you go down, that's fine. It's you're choice. Free will and all that.

[DickHardman]

All I'm saying is that the teachers had a choice. Some acted heroically trying to save students while others hid under the desks. Sounds like you know what choice you'd have made.

were you actually there? did you actually see any of this for yourself?? i bet its real easy to sit behind your computer and judge people you dont even know while implying that you could have done better just because you have developed a superiority complex from taking a few martial arts lessons ....

[treelizard]

All I'm saying is that the teachers had a choice. Some acted heroically trying to save students while others hid under the desks. Sounds like you know what choice you'd have made.

sometimes you have to face reality.

unarmed students vs gunman with multiple firearms and tons of ammo.....who do you think is going to win? especially when most of the students were taken by surprise.

its not being defeatist, its just reality. you guys seem to imply you could have done better in that situation or that the students are to blame for not being able to stop the gunman who btw took his own life. he wasnt even stopped by police or security, he ended the rampage when he chose to.

[DickHardman]

That sounds very defeatist.

Nothing like this ever happens in a vaccuum.

sometimes you have to face reality.

unarmed students vs gunman with multiple firearms and tons of ammo.....who do you think is going to win? especially when most of the students were taken by surprise.

its not being defeatist, its just reality. you guys seem to imply you could have done better in that situation or that the students are to blame for not being able to stop the gunman who btw took his own life. he wasnt even stopped by police or security, he ended the rampage when he chose to.

[DickHardman]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

go tell that to all those students and teachers.