Christians vs Atheist?

[Garland]

And AGAIN, the pope would be the first to agree with you on that.

Maybe John Paul...but the new guy's a clown...I read a couple of his encyclicals when he was cardinal Ratzinger...and the guy is a real Neanderthal.

[Garland]

Is it hard to believe one man said something because you (should I call you a son of a bitch?) don't like his son?

Bush senior is fuckin' ****. His son is a moronic and impotent sack of shit.

and yes... Prescot Bush was a bitch.

[jubaji]

Man's word does not control God.

As men, we have strong control over our environments; we can play with natural laws and make them work for us now and then, still men are imperfect creatures and everything else under the sun is in God's hands.

And AGAIN, the pope would be the first to agree with you on that.

[BoarSpear]

Can somebody cite that, I tried to find it and came up with nothing.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=No%2C+I+don%27t+know+that+Atheists+should+be+considered+as+citizens%2C+nor+should+they+be+considered+patriots.+This+is+one+nation+under+God.&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

Take your pick.

[jubaji]

Can somebody cite that, I tried to find it and came up with nothing.

And from an original source, not some nutty left-wing blog or something.

[jubaji]

see post #6. That son of a bitch actually said it. I mean, come on...of all the stupid shit his son has said and done, why is it so hard to believe?

Is it hard to believe one man said something because you (should I call you a son of a bitch?) don't like his son?

[BoarSpear]

Now that is a lie.

"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

...From garlands post #6 and George Bush's mouth.

Do you EVER know what you're talking about Jubaji?

[BoarSpear]

Ok, I agree with that. Atheism has no theology or doctrines. It is the simple belief that there is no god and no afterlife. Atheism is not a religion, has no doctrines, or rules, nor a standardized set of ethical guidelines to abide by.

Zackly.

[Garland]

Only catholics believe the pope to be infallible. There is no direct doctrinal support for such a belief. In fact the whole basis of the pope comes down to a conversation in the bible regarding jesus and peter. In that quote some ambiguity exists on whether Jesus church was to be based on Peter or on Christ's message.

I was referring to Catholics in particular. I mean you can't put the Protestants and Catholics together when discussing an issue like this because their belief systems are very much in opposition...at least different enough that they are still trying to come to an antithesis on God's message by butchering each other.

[Garland]

Now that is a lie.

see post #6. That son of a bitch actually said it. I mean, come on...of all the stupid shit his son has said and done, why is it so hard to believe?

I mean, this is what our current president seems to think of the proletariat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-m5P3KDwU

...or is he just inarticulate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x5SRwFfgrQ

[Garland]

Simply put, killing people because they aren't Christian is in absolute and direct violation of Christian theology. Killing people because they aren't atheist is in no way shape or form a violation of atheism.

Ok, I agree with that. Atheism has no theology or doctrines. It is the simple belief that there is no god and no afterlife. Atheism is not a religion, has no doctrines, or rules, nor a standardized set of ethical guidelines to abide by.

[Tom Yum]

No moral compass whatsoever.

Directly in violation of the faith involved? Ok, let's put that to the test-

Catholic doctrine states that the human component of the church may be faslifiable, but the word of God is divine, and therefore infallible. The pope is God's spokesperson on Earth, and therefore, as a mouthpeice of God, is infalible.

Explain the Crusades, the Inquisition, and Pope Pius looking the other way during the Holocaust using that doctrine. All had the stamp of approval by the papacy, and therefore is done with God's consent.

Your logic is solid.

Man's word does not control God.

As men, we have strong control over our environments; we can play with natural laws and make them work for us now and then, still men are imperfect creatures and everything else under the sun is in God's hands.

That's all for now.

[Garland]

He's also a military man, maybe that's the problem, we can prove he was in the military.

Did you just say Bush, as in Bush Jr., was a military man?

[BoarSpear]

dogma- a system of principles or tenets; a settled or established opinion, belief or principle.

if that's dogma, then the "basic tenets and beliefs associated with [a philosophy]" that you mentionned are really no different except in that the greater number of people buying into them makes them more resistant to change. the "rules" you mention stem from this and in effect, are part of the dogma itself. i'm not totally clear what you mean by pretense.
it seems a blurry line to me, that an old enough philosophy with enough followers is in essence indistinguishable from a religion. can you not imagine a Church of Existentialism? the problem seems to me to be the institutionalization, not the beliefs.

This cracks me up...If I don't believe in the Great pumpkin and you do, what religion are those of us that don't believe in the great pumpkin again?

[BoarSpear]

seems you don't believe bush when ever he says anything else, why do you decide to believe he is a christian just because he says so?

So you agree you can't believe a single word out of the mouth of the president of the United States who may well be starting WW3...hmmm he claims to be a Christian but even that's in question...And you wonder why the rest of the world doesn't like us? We elected someone we cant trust to tell us his religion...He sure bases A lot of his spending on Christian values for a non Christian...So lemmie guess Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jim Baker, none of these men are really Christians either? What about the pastors who molest their congregation members? All the money from other church members paid to hush and hide this are they Christians? ...isnt the CHURCH even "Christian?" How convenient you don't claim ANY of the things, ACTIONS or people that DEFINE your religion as real...then you wonder why we object to people forcing it down our throats...

ACTIONS define groups, NOT their propaganda. Birds of a feather...Personally I'd remove myself and my financial support from ANY group that had a history of rape and child molestation while using torture and war to "spread the word."