Your will to kill

[shuyun]

Whups, I mean those Marines felt bad, according to the authors, because none of their fellow Marines had been wounded yet, and so THEY themselves were the only killers at that moment; but if the Iraqis had fired and hit a Marine and wounded him badly, they wouldn't have felt as bad about killing the Iraqis (according to the authors). The authors are Bing West and Major General Ray L. Smith (USMC Retired).

Yes there is a need for a sense of purpose. It brings to mind an old karate saying

We who can kill must know when our cause is just.

This is my point what is a just enough cause to steel our nerves to kill?

[BrGlnn]

IMO being in the minitary is not easy.

This is exaclty what I'm talking about, being forced to kill because there is something to live for. Not killing in bloodlust just to satisfy one's ego.

That's tragic, how do you help him cope? How does he cope? Everyone does tell him that he was just doing his patriotic duty right? Or does he doubt that too?

I've been there, done that. I have extensive experience in military service. It was once very easy for me to kill but I met Jesus in the true Church of Christ. He was the key to healing all my wounds, both from war and from when I was forced to run away from home and join the military because of the abuse.

[koto_ryu]

oh did i mention that I was in their turf.

Well if you willingly go into someone's turf" where you know they will be aggressive towards you, you're basically asking for it.

again you are missing the point. the thread is entitled "YOUR WILL TO KILL". You must be a whole lot more expereinced than I am, coz I only talk the talk; having faced off AKs opening up from your flanks and all that. You must be doing 3 on one encounters like hotcakes.

Nope, just experienced a little bit out in the war doing convoy escorts to start then some trigger time as a DM (designated marksman). No Dirty Harry type stories or willingness to brag about being able to kill, I just know a little bit.

What's your point on YOUR will to kill O-sensei koto_ryu. Teach me your ultimate non lethal pacifying technique that I may see the error of my ways and respect all human life including those who fight me at knife point and seek to spill my blood on something as petty as an obsolete cellphone. that Imay remember that they have a family to go home to even though I probably will not see mine if they hae their way. Grace us with your infinite knowledge.

As I have already said, if they're attacking me they're coming back bleeding. I may bleed a bit too, but its a small price to pay for the spiting (to steal my favorite line from Mallrats ). I try to respect some human life, but let's face it, some people are just animals out there and need to be put down. I'm not claiming I know everything, I'm just saying your first encounter seems rather fictional and the second, if real as well, hardly classifies as a life-or-death encounter. If they're running away from you, chances are they weren't trying to kill you from the start.

[Tom Yum]

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I'm humbled by the support from the peeps! Just goes to show, it pays to be really, really annoying!

You just happen to pick the right times...lol.

[shuyun]

Well if you willingly go into someone's turf" where you know they will be aggressive towards you, you're basically asking for it.

it wasn't done on purpose. on the way to my fiancee it just so happens that I just need to pass through a dangerous hood. It just so happens there was just too much booze in the air that day.

Nope, just experienced a little bit out in the war doing convoy escorts to start then some trigger time as a DM (designated marksman). No Dirty Harry type stories or willingness to brag about being able to kill, I just know a little bit.

I just know a little bit myself and I know myself a whole lot. when I said "I think" i'm willing to cross the line it wasn't adolescent bragging to show off to his high school buds. It was actually a certain concern for my mental state because my shrink (i'm not a whack job its just company evaluation and stuff) tells me i have sociopathic tendencies. I.e. i can easilly get over anything. So though though i've never done its almost a certainty that it can get to that.

I expected as much, I knew you were closely aquainted with life and death. Your disdain for my initial post shows someone who has seen bllod and knows that it's not pretty. I know that only too well.

[QUOTE] As I have already said, if they're attacking me they're coming back bleeding. I may bleed a bit too, but its a small price to pay for the spiting (to steal my favorite line from Mallrats ). I try to respect some human life, but let's face it, some people are just animals out there and need to be put down. I'm not claiming I know everything, I'm just saying your first encounter seems rather fictional and the second, if real as well, hardly classifies as a life-or-death encounter.

thanks for the hugely different tone and thanks for sharing your insight. This is what I meant the thread for.

If they're running away from you, chances are they weren't trying to kill you from the start.

the first encounter ended because they got what they came for the, phone but they woulda killed to get it. I fought back because the threat was serious, i didn't provoke them.

the second ran away but as I said it seemed to me like a tactical retreat, which is why I also ran away when they left.

but it's nice to see that we can see certain things eye to eye intelligently.

I salute you. (Now )

[shuyun]

I've been there, done that. I have extensive experience in military service. It was once very easy for me to kill but I met Jesus in the true Church of Christ. He was the key to healing all my wounds, both from war and from when I was forced to run away from home and join the military because of the abuse.

True, but many biblical models also came from a military background. Kind David being the most prominent. Yet he was a man after God's own heart. He had a clear conscience because he knew he was doing God's will.

But in today's world where God's voice is not as audible how do people of strong religous convictions or simply high moral standards clear their conscience with out copping out to religous discrimination or following a holy war?

Or if not the military, maybe a cop, if you kill in a shoot out what clearly remind's you that you were simply doing your duty. How does this apply to civilians?

Yes the military isn't an easy plac to be in. And ironically if you enter the service because killing is easy for you you might end up as a liability whenyou have a gun in your hands. From what I know snipers have to be very sober not trigger happpy people. Exaclty because life and death is in your hands.

[jubaji]

Yes the military isn't an easy plac to be in. .

How long have you been in the military?

[koto_ryu]

Yes the military isn't an easy plac to be in. And ironically if you enter the service because killing is easy for you you might end up as a liability whenyou have a gun in your hands. From what I know snipers have to be very sober not trigger happpy people. Exaclty because life and death is in your hands.

Nah, just really goofy

[Tom Yum]

Nah, just really goofy

Welcome fellow nerd !

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Nah, just really goofy

From what I've seen, that's definitely an accurate statement. Snipers (as a whole) are about the most oddball group of guys I've ever run acrossed.

Setting the whole " Is it right to take someones life" arguement aside for a moment, using the military as an example of having the will to kill is a poor choice. No operator in the military gets to choose his targets. He's following orders, either a specific target or a specific set of conditions under which he is allowed to use deadly force. There was an article published last week in The Army Times where a US Army SSgt. shot and killed a man in Iraq. He claims the man was injured and he was "putting him out of his misery". He has been charged with 2nd degree murder for the death.
Even in the military, if you take someones life without recieving authorization, you will face the same punishment that any civilian would.
Mahalo, Jeremy