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Actually there are been several people who have done well from the ATA. But usually ATA people stick to the closed tournaments.
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I saw a video a while back of a TKD tourn. in like Norway or something and there was one guy that was MT competing. Funniest stuff I have ever seen, he kept kicking the TKD guys legs out from under them and then he would finish them off with a kick to the head.
Funny stuff........Comment
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I think everyones seen that video. They weren't allowed to punch to the head, or elbow or knee or grab or anything like that. What they did allow was kicking to the legs which that WTF guy had no experience defending. Not to mention he sucked bum.
Damian Mavis
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BVER:
I have a simple reply to your question about the ata. Quality or quantity?Comment
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why the ata does not get much credit for being as large as it is. With the largest tournament circuit and most active member is for several reasons.
1. proprietary forms. (they use the songahm forms, which are copyrighted and used only by the ATA)
2. Closed tournament circuit. They do not need to go to tournaments outside the style because they have over 300 tournaments in the USA every year. It's probably closer to 500 now.
3. They do not have many people publishing material outside of ATA publications. (notable exception is Master Clark, but he does not speak of the ata when working with other systems.)
4. We use different names for the same thing. (American Taekwondo Association, Songahm Taekwondo Federation, World Traditional Taekwondo Union) all the same group just different parts of the world. (ATA black belt academy, Taekwondo USA, Karate For Kids, TKD family center, etc.) all differnt names used to Identify ATA schools.
5. Major focus is on making money now. So the school cater to kids. With schools grossing over 100,000 a year and some instructors making as much as 3 million a year. they really don't care what other systems think or what they are doing.
the system is good but the quality of instruction now is much different than 10 years ago. It has gone down hill. Mostly do to rapid growth and lack of supervision. But they system has a ton of good things in it. If it was just being taught properly in all schools thoughout the world there would be some more recognition.
Also our people have a tendency not to identify themselves as ATA when competing out of our system because there is quite a bit of discrimination against the ATA in tournaments I usually where a blank uniform when competing in open tournaments.Comment
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Wether he sucked or not it's still one of the funniest matches I have ever seen. Man, I bet that TKD guy feels like a real ass.Originally posted by Damian Mavis
I think everyones seen that video. They weren't allowed to punch to the head, or elbow or knee or grab or anything like that. What they did allow was kicking to the legs which that WTF guy had no experience defending. Not to mention he sucked bum.
Damian Mavis
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I wasn't trying to make excuses for the fool, I think it's hilarious too. But I shake my head thinking "what the frick was HE thinking?". I don't understand people that don't prepare for a certain rule set when they go into a full contact setting and discover the hard way that preparation for a fight is important! heh.
Damian Mavis
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The worst thing about it was that I did not see the TKD guy connect on not one hit. He threw so much stuff at that guy and just could not connect.Comment
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Ya like I said, he sucked bum haha.
Damian Mavis
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Originally studied WTF. Currently studying Duk du Kwak.
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I began my TKD training in my college. My first instructor was a WTF guy teaching "Olympic TKD". I trained under him for a few months. Then he was outvoted in our college from the TKD club by two brothers teaching Jhoon Rhee's system of TKD. I trained under them and then found a community center teaching Moo Duk Kwan close to my house. I was training in JR's and MDK for about a year. I even recieved the gold belt from JR's system. Then I had to quit one because I had too much school related stuff that I needed to concentrate on and going to TKD classes 6 days a week was too much. So I stopped MDK TKD. Then the JR's instructors graduated so I did WTF for the rest of the 3 yrs in college. I preferred not to take any belts and only trained in the "sport" aspect of TKD. It was all kicking combinations and sparring. It was pretty fun and I had a ball.
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Our school is not affiliated with ITF (ostensibly because of the costs), but the instructor teaches ITF Forms/curriculum. He is a 6th Dan trained under Grand Master Van Binh.Comment
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Songahm
I prefer Songahm because it is straight-forward and easy to learn. I received by black belt in a little over a year, going 4+ times a week. I am currently not training due to school and hold the rank of a 3rd degree black belt and Certified Instructor in ATA.
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Take care,
LoriComment
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Wow, that seems fast. It took my son Travis (age 17), and I, almost four years (at 3 - 4 lessons per week) to attain our first degree black belts, and son Derek (age 10) a little over 4 1/2 years (Yeah, Thai Bri, I know.... Must be a "McDojo" if they'll issue a black belt to a 10 year old, but, he's by far the most talented of the three of us. Our instructor has been teaching since 1982, and Derek is the first student under 12 to even be given the opportunity to take the test. He first tested at age 9, a month before his 10th birthday, and was unable to perform one of the breaks. He took it again at age 10 years + 6 months, and passed with an outstanding performance). Our program to reach 2nd Dan is minimum 2 years.Originally posted by blackbelt080
Does Songahm use katas in its training? How many must you learn to test for 1st Dan? Congrats on your acheivements!Comment
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songahm has 18 kata's
you must know 9 to get to 1st degree.
blackbelt in a year in songahm??? You instructor should have been shot.
The system has promise but most of the instructors are poor examples of martial artist as are some of the masters.Comment
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