Glove weight for street fights?

[Blue Wave Gym]

Lol

well spoken Mike

Rebar Tao, I apologize for my criticism. I use this forum as a place to learn and share ideas. Your words about just going out and beating people up for no reason just kind of set me off.



Remember its illegal to carry a baseball bat in your car in most states. That is unless of course you also have a Mitt in there also. You know how those kids always leave their baseball gear in your car???

yuo read that article in bb magazine too btw what about a sledge hammer and a tool belt with hammers,a staple gun and screw drivers in the trunk

[BoarSpear]

guys, this HAS to be a joke...IF this was real this guy would have never made it out of puberty alive. He has a BAD attitude and a HOT temper with NO common sense...he would be dead or in in jail..., not picking the "right" gloves for road rage incidents at 56...

[Rebar Tao]

Whoa, guys! Misunderstanding here!

First, I am not being confrontational. I'm soft spoken and meek, although that changes when people diss me. And my age doesn't matter. My wrist functions; I can fight with it. It is injured, it often hurts, but it works. I've got the quick movements of a teenager, and you'd probably guess me to be in my middle or late 30s at a glance.

If I get in the ring, you will see a intense, anxious, pleasant, sincere guy who will be taking things very seriously. Sparring is training; there is no attitude, no temper, no honor or loss of it in losing. It is a clinical thing; I'm going to do something I'm afraid of until it's second nature. I want to learn something most guys learn in school and I never learned. It's shameful, but for all the risky stuff I've done, I still haven't proven myself to be a fighter. That's a fear I've never conquered. Sparring doesn't bother me, though. For all the martial arts I took, I'd never learned to block, cover up...until two years ago.

I am a smart alec and I picked the wrong place to dump some heavy emotional/psych baggage...or maybe the right place. I dunno. Your real friends are the ones who tell you you're fucked up; the others simply walk away or ignore you.

Mike, it was Crunch Gym that wouldn't let me spar...but that's a place for yuppies to exercise. I don't know who Emanual Steward is--not in the phone book. I've been all over the Web. I want someone to box at my level, maybe a bit above it for training.

To all those who suggested weapons, hell, I've got those. I don't want assault with a deadly weapon on my resume. For one thing, I won't be able to own a gun legally.

Blue Wave: Here's the video you missed. I hit a spot of oil on a curve riding an old 650 Triumph Bonneville. OK. Now, I've got lots of people watching. I'm cool so far--I'd fallen before--and I remembered to pull the clutch lever in before picking the bike up because the engine was still running.

Well, the back wheel had revved up real good when I fell and it's still spinning. Soon as it hit the ground, it's in second gear, a perfect dragstrip start. The clutch slipped out of my hand; I barely had one leg on the seat and it was pulling away hard. This made my right hand rotate the throttle open...

There was a guardrail there, with a cutout for pedestrians. The bike shot though the gap and wiped me off on the guardrail. I stiff-armed the guardrail to keep from getting it in the face. Well, I wasn't hurt, miraculously.

I hopped up and down, mad as Donald Duck, shrieking curses and throwing rocks at a nearby statue of Mary, in front this religious college there. Just a little harmless buffoonery.

Edit: I am religious and I am grateful to God I survived motorcycles.

[Rebar Tao]

Good advice, Mike, as always. I think I should have said this at the beginning. I can't fight--it feels like a slow-motion dream, like trying to move underwater. Then I see how to do it, sparring. We had a coach that allowed it at Crunch; he's gone, and with it what little (100 rounds or more) sparring I had. It was light/no contact; I got hit for real now and then, half knocked out from behind the ear, hook to the kidney. This is not a problem.

Now I had some tools. I wanted to see what it would be like in the street. But first, under controlled conditions, I wanted more training, something with some realism. I think winning one street fight--or just doing well in one--would probably be it. I only had to screw once to prove it. I had performance anxiety that first time; I've got the same thing with fighting. Had it all my life. Never won a fight. Time to get rid of it. It's eating away at me like acid.

So, that's why I asked about the glove weight. I was discouraged, couldn't find a place to blood myself, get ready properly. I just want this thing over and done with so I can have my honor (which I've never had) and put this behind me.

Never thought about it, but yes, that does make sense. About the fast driving getting my head in a bad place.

John

[Rebar Tao]

Mike,

Thanks for staying with me through this crazy thread. You hit it right on the head when you said I was living in the past.

I am very interested in this bouncer thing--I assume I'm qualified. I think every bouncer and cop should know the wrist locks--so much easier to see someone out the door.

I hope someone else who can't admit the ultimate, humiliating weakness sees this and gets some help here.

John

[BoarSpear]

So, that's why I asked about the glove weight. I was discouraged, couldn't find a place to blood myself, get ready properly. I just want this thing over and done with so I can have my honor (which I've never had) and put this behind me.


John

Regain your honor by getting in a street fight!!?? WTF ...Dude you go from bad to worse...HONOR CAN NEVER BE GAINED BY FIGHTING...IT IS LOST IN FIGHTS ON A REGULAR BASIS. IT IS NEVER GAINED. you are confusing ego(fame) with honor...They have nothing to do with one another. i once heard that if you have to fight for your honor you have already lost it...
If you want to feel better about yourself fine, but winning your first fight will not restore your honor...certainly any attacks of road rage (whether you wear your gloves or not) cannot possibly restore lost honor, in fact it would be an embarassment and remove any respect or honor from the instigator whether he "won" or lost the conflict.

[HtTKar]

yuo read that article in bb magazine too

No. Actually I dont read BB magazine. Too many advertisements and not enough articles. The National guard was doing traffic stops in NYC after the WTC bombing. A friend of mine was tellling me they would do routine searches. Anything illegal was confiscated whether it posed a threat or not (policy). He remarked how many people really carry weapons, and how many carry baseball bats. He kinda smirked when he was talking about grown men carrying tee-ball bats and a kids glove in the trunk. If you have a bat, you have to have a glove; its just the law.

[Rebar Tao]

Regain your honor by getting in a street fight!!?? WTF ...Dude you go from bad to worse...HONOR CAN NEVER BE GAINED BY FIGHTING...IT IS LOST IN FIGHTS ON A REGULAR BASIS. IT IS NEVER GAINED. you are confusing ego(fame) with honor...They have nothing to do with one another. i once heard that if you have to fight for your honor you have already lost it...
If you want to feel better about yourself fine, but winning your first fight will not restore your honor...certainly any attacks of road rage (whether you wear your gloves or not) cannot possibly restore lost honor, in fact it would be an embarassment and remove any respect or honor from the instigator whether he "won" or lost the conflict.

What does somebody gain then? What do you call it when you can finally look at yourself in the mirror and say, I'm capable?

Whatever you do, try not to let any kids grow up like I did. Wouldn't wish it on a dog. Oh, hell, it happened. Now, to do something constructive. Thanks for your help, guys. I needed to hear these things.

[BoarSpear]

What does somebody gain then? What do you call it when you can finally look at yourself in the mirror and say, I'm capable?

Whatever you do, try not to let any kids grow up like I did. Wouldn't wish it on a dog. Oh, hell, it happened. Now, to do something constructive. Thanks for your help, guys. I needed to hear these things.

what do you gain by fighting? injuries, doctor bills, police records. Never do you gain HONOR..you might be able to look yourself in the mirror or sleep at night but that isnt honor, its respect for yourself. you gain honor by being adult enough to realize that MOST crap people want to fight over is childish and being above it... By not sullying your reputation by being a trouble maker...fighting in the ring or the streets can never bring honor...fame maybe and money maybe a big ego sure...but those are all poor subtitutes for honor. it seems you waited an awful long time to decide you were tired of being pushed around...now you want to SHOW everyone they cant push you around anymore...WRONG there will always be someone capable of imposing thier will on you...Train for the Worst and hope for the best. realize at 56 you are a little old to start being a tough guy.

Have you ever studied warriorship? perhaps you should...There are many aspects to being a warrior...HONOR: without it you are a bandit, honor is a warriors most prized possesion...allow a defeated warrior to maintian his honor and he MAY become your ally...remove his HONOR and have an enemy for eternity. DUTY: a warrior thrives on duty, its what gets you through the unpleasant parts of the day and is probably what put you into the conflicts you will find yourself involved in. And last but not least COURAGE, without courage a warrior is useless, do not confuse courage with an lack of fear...courage is carrying on in spite of fear. Try reading Living The Martial Way by Forest Morgan for a good explanation of honor.

[Blue Wave Gym]

fighting in the ring can never bring honor wtf?

I have to disagree with that one and I think mike and any other fighter knows what I'm talking about here, nonfighters probably can't understand though, I'm not dissing anyone or trying to star a fight by this post so chill people. Fighters who know what I'm saying please back me up on this one.

[Rebar Tao]

Well, I learned 20 years ago that my external circumstances are a result of what's in my head. It has happened often enough to have proven cause and effect here. I have had enough ups and downs to document this, and every "up" in my life was preceded by turning over a new leaf, by becoming spiritual, optimistic or strong, somehow bettering myself. And the bad times always followed a bad attitude, fear, anger, laziness, vice, etc. This led to persecution, crummy jobs, alcoholism for a couple of years, that stuff.

A philospher, James Allen, wrote about this in "As a Man Thinketh." It's profound, a very short book--almost a pamphlet--and if we lose the mean look we've been practicing in the mirror, begin to dress well, educate ourselves at night, we'll be surrounded by nice people, good times, and a more pleasant job. Read it on the Web. I'm told it's changed a huge number of lives.

Now, warriorship is very interesting, and I'm interested in it. BUT, I NEED to prove that I can best someone in a fist fight. Period. I'm physically young for 56, and while I still am, I'd better get my lick in. Once will do it. It is compelling. Please don't give up on me. Put a name to this thing; acknowledge it. I have to do it. OK, it's pride, it's vanity (read Ecclesiastes in the Bible), and I hope no one sees me in the alley and calls the cops. I feel like half a man. Then I can put this crud aside once and for all and walk the earth as a humble champion of those who are defenseless.

John

[Blue Wave Gym]

Rebar, brother here's some advice

Well, I learned 20 years ago that my external circumstances are a result of what's in my head. It has happened often enough to have proven cause and effect here. I have had enough ups and downs to document this, and every "up" in my life was preceded by turning over a new leaf, by becoming spiritual, optimistic or strong, somehow bettering myself. And the bad times always followed a bad attitude, fear, anger, laziness, vice, etc. This led to persecution, crummy jobs, alcoholism for a couple of years, that stuff.

A philospher, James Allen, wrote about this in "As a Man Thinketh." It's profound, a very short book--almost a pamphlet--and if we lose the mean look we've been practicing in the mirror, begin to dress well, educate ourselves at night, we'll be surrounded by nice people, good times, and a more pleasant job. Read it on the Web. I'm told it's changed a huge number of lives.

Now, warriorship is very interesting, and I'm interested in it. BUT, I NEED to prove that I can best someone in a fist fight. Period. I'm physically young for 56, and while I still am, I'd better get my lick in. Once will do it. It is compelling. Please don't give up on me. Put a name to this thing; acknowledge it. I have to do it. OK, it's pride, it's vanity (read Ecclesiastes in the Bible), and I hope no one sees me in the alley and calls the cops. I feel like half a man. Then I can put this crud aside once and for all and walk the earth as a humble champion of those who are defenseless.

John

I should probably say this in a pm but if anyone else needs to hear this then i hope it helps.How strange that I a man who spent most of his life living in hate and rage and basiclly destroyed himself mentally and physically in the process, should give advice, I'll tell it to you straight Fighting does NOT make you a man, more of a man, a tough guy a bad ass ect. After I'm done with a fight I really don't feel any more like a man, I may be on my violence high/getting a hate/rage hard on , especially if I've won by ko (did once)
but I really don't feel like more of a man. If you are living you life as a good person: taking care of your responsibilities, being a good boyfriend,husband father ect. your already a man and your not going to find what your looking for in the ring, the ring cannot give you that, only through trying to live a good and decent life and not hating and hurting people for the fun of it(I should look into this some time) will you be acting like a man then you'll feel like a man because you are doing right and people will want to be around you.Life is what you make it and we're alll responsible for our own happiness and for the deeds we do, these deeds will show on your soul.Learn something from my experience my friend I came to fighting like most to prove to myself, that I had what it takes/over come fear, that was great, I found a honor and a sense of purpose as wel,l but I came with alot of other stuff under the surface, dark emotions like anger hatred and rage that were very much in me and which fighting did not get rid of like I thought it would.The problem was not with fighting, the problem was, is, in me,and the problem destroyed me mentally and physically. I'm trying to pick up the peices now and grab onto
whatever positive life preserver I can grab before I drown.I want you to think about this> have you ever considered that the bad things you do in life leave an imprint on you soul and face that other people can see.What if you fight and you find out not only do you like hurting people but you actualll get off on it like I do, what then? how are you going to be normal? you'll have this bad thing inside your mind 24/7 but you won't be able to rid yourself of it, untill the next fight that is, you'll think.Welcome to my world, you'll wallow in everyting that is negative and unpleasent instead of directing you thoughts in a positive direction, unhappiness is on the way. Work on yourself and your relationships ect. That's all that really real in life, everything else is just illusion.In short you feeling of being a man cannot be found in the ring only in your self and your soul.the only thiing the ring will do for you is harden your soul if you don't approch it correctly. Hating and fighting(more the hating part) have made me unable to relate to people and I'm 28. If You must fight approach it with a pure heart/honor and no malice and hate, once it's over let it be over, leave it in the ring.Remember the ring is not forever and the other stuf is what will see you through life, not your ability to beat on people or get beat on.I wish you well

[Blue Wave Gym]

btw rebar

If you think I'm just bs you here I'll be more than happy to tell you the thousands of fucked up and shameful things I've done to myself and others since I was like 12.

[Rebar Tao]

Blue Wave and Mike,

Thanks very much for your thoughts. There's a lot to read there. I'm extremely busy at work and need more time to read your posts. There seems to be a lot of heavy stuff there. I'll take a better look when there's time, but thanks again for being there.

John