Need some help with bags.

[SC_Harry]

I'm looking to get back into boxing and kickboxing and generally keeping in shape .
I'm getting a weights bench and exercise bike.
I also want something for working on my boxing.
However, my house is quite old none of the walls will even take a 20kg punching bag.

So my choice comes down to,

floor to cieling bags, in this case, something called a 'headache bag'. Cylindrical shape. Made for practicing head shots or something to that effect.

A speedball.

Or the wall bags at the bottom of this page.

http://www.martialartshop.co.uk/immortal_dummy_range.htm

I suppose the problem with the above is.
The headache bag wasn't listed with a weight, and was fairly small so I'm assuming it's more for accuracy and speed training.

The speedball probably doesn't have many (if any) applications for just throwing jabs, crosses and hooks.

The wall bag,
1. I'm not sure what it'll need to be padded with to stop any injury from accidently punching through into the wall.
2. Obviously you can't throw hooks.

Basicly the reason I'm wanting a bag is for working on technique, power and cardio work.
There's a local boxing gym with a whole heap of bags e.t.c, but I can't access this anytime I want. (In fact I can only access it a couple of nights a week) When really I'd prefer something to combine into my training programme and something that I could generally use for letting out some aggression on a daily basis.

So my question to you guys would be what do you reccomend out of the above three?
Or anything else you reccomend, (I'm on a fairly low budget, so a freestanding punching bag is out of the question)
(Just to avoid confusion, whilst I said I was wanting to get back into kickboxing as well, I'm not really bothered whether I can practice kicks on it or not, it's going to be entirely for boxing)

Thanks guys

[HtTKar]

Headache bags are nice, you can practice all punches on them but they move kind of slow. They are great to get out there and hit 1000 times, and practice combinations on (Including Kicking drills), but very soon you will be faster than the bag and want a faster bag. Double-End bags are much faster than headache bags; truthfully sometimes they can be too fast to learn new combinations on. You know those punching-balloons? Thats how I feel with my double-end sometimes, but they are great for increasing the speed of your punches while also increasing accuracy. Having both of them is a good idea.

You can do tons of things on a speedbag, but unfortunatly they make a lot of noise. They're not something you want if you have upstairs or downstairs neighbors. You wont be able to hit them after your spouse goes to bed either. They're great if you have a garage, or no worries about the noise.

Those wallbags look like junk.

Heavybags can be too heavy for some houses. Attaching them to the beams in some of the houses I lived in would shake the entire house. As with the speedbags, they're great if you have a garage.

I'd just start with the headache bag and the double-end bag. Actually that is what I did. Then I got addicted and started buying all different types of bags for different reasons. These two training aids will give you a pretty good start for at least (probably) 18-24 months....if you can stick with it.

[SC_Harry]

Headache bags are nice, you can practice all punches on them but they move kind of slow. They are great to get out there and hit 1000 times, and practice combinations on (Including Kicking drills), but very soon you will be faster than the bag and want a faster bag. Double-End bags are much faster than headache bags; truthfully sometimes they can be too fast to learn new combinations on. You know those punching-balloons? Thats how I feel with my double-end sometimes, but they are great for increasing the speed of your punches while also increasing accuracy. Having both of them is a good idea.

You can do tons of things on a speedbag, but unfortunatly they make a lot of noise. They're not something you want if you have upstairs or downstairs neighbors. You wont be able to hit them after your spouse goes to bed either. They're great if you have a garage, or no worries about the noise.

Those wallbags look like junk.

Heavybags can be too heavy for some houses. Attaching them to the beams in some of the houses I lived in would shake the entire house. As with the speedbags, they're great if you have a garage.

I'd just start with the headache bag and the double-end bag. Actually that is what I did. Then I got addicted and started buying all different types of bags for different reasons. These two training aids will give you a pretty good start for at least (probably) 18-24 months....if you can stick with it.

Thanks alot .

[speedbag]

speed ball

I'm looking to get back into boxing and ...I also want something for working on my boxing.
However, my house is quite old none of the walls will even take a 20kg punching bag.

So my choice comes down to,.....A speedball.

The speedball probably doesn't have many (if any) applications for just throwing jabs, crosses and hooks.

....Thanks guys

Not exactly true. Actually, "probably" is the best word there. You can work most of your Martial Arts techniques, including kicks, particularly the Hook, roundhouse and crescents, as well as many elbow strikes

If your getting a stationary cycle, depending on the cycle type, you can also join the cycle with the bag and then hit join that with music. sort of like this

and you can have get get creative with the rhythm of the bag.

or maybe not. just hit it normally

just a thought.

[Blue Wave Gym]

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Not exactly true. Actually, "probably" is the best word there. You can work most of your Martial Arts techniques, including kicks, particularly the Hook, roundhouse and crescents, as well as many elbow strikes

If your getting a stationary cycle, depending on the cycle type, you can also join the cycle with the bag and then hit join that with music. sort of like this

and you can have get get creative with the rhythm of the bag.

or maybe not. just hit it normally

just a thought.

a speed ball doesn't have many applications for throwing jabs, crosses and hooks????????????
how do you think I practice my slick, slippery, pimp ass footwork, the double end bag after all, moving and throwing the jab at the same time is key, see also fighting going backwards which many people have problems with. Get a free standing h.b. a d.e.b. and some kind of speed bag and you'll be fine better yet a mitt man and a sparring partner