Punching without gloves, which knuckles to use?

[FLMKane]

Northern 72

[TTEscrima]

Five Animals Style buddy.

The Northern 72 or the Southern 170 techniques?

I kill Mcdojos where I come from. Funnily enough that Ninja thing is exactly what I need to do next. Where can I find Ashida Kim?

You ought to travel to Colorado and look up SWAN, Shadow Warriors Association of Ninjitsu.

Serious Ninja Training Camps for the Modern Martial Arts Warrior

[Ghost]

So do you run your own school now?
Whats your teaching style like?

[FLMKane]

Five Animals Style buddy. I kill Mcdojos where I come from. Funnily enough that Ninja thing is exactly what I need to do next. Where can I find Ashida Kim?

[TTEscrima]

Also I dont think you know who your talking to. I'm a sifu in Kung Fu. I got there by something called a rank challenge. Basically I beat the crap out of a black belt...then ripped it off him.

Hawhawhaw, do you have to suplex a knife wielding ninja for your next promotion? Wannabes and their BS stories.

So what style of KF are you now a Sifu of? It's interesting how you don't see as many BB Sifu's as you used to, probably because people kick their asses and take their belts, LOL.

[Tant01]

Which knuckles?

Check out the anatomy yourself. The most efficient force transfer will be delivered through a NUTRAL wrist position. With a PROPER (nutral) wrist position relative to the LINE of force your BIG knuckles will align with the forearm.

But don't take my word for anything!

[Tant01]

You kill me...

..."I USE a right cross instead of the flashy kung fu junk"....

Sifu of Kung phui... LOL

[Tant01]

"Sifu" ?

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Also I dont think you know who your talking to. I'm a sifu in Kung Fu. I got there by something called a rank challenge. Basically I beat the crap out of a black belt...then ripped it off him.

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Oh, boy....

[FLMKane]

Yeah I do. Your thinking in a linear pattern. I USE a right cross instead of the flashy kung fu junk.

And if your still thinking about the knuckles argument, as stated before, the first two knuckles wont break easily, but IF YOU TRAIN the powerline knucke, IT WONT BREAK! Therein lies my answer to you. IF YOU TRAIN! For a guy who does'nt train, he should, by all means, stick to the big two knuckles.

And dont generalize. Jack Dempsey was Mike Tysons idol. Cus D'Amato trained him as an advanced model of Dempsey... if you seen videos of Mike train, he never uses gloves...and punches with the powerline. look carefully and ALI and FRAZIER punched like that.

The reason that the little finger knuckle is the powerline knuckle is quite wierd. The forearm has two bones, one larger than the other. The large one is directly connected to the elbow joint.When force is transmitted down the elbow joint, most of it travels down the larger bone. From that bone, the most direct path is through the little finger knuckle. It's simple physics.

[Ghost]

Then you know they dont do their straight right nor their right cross like that then.

I'm not angry. And I know how it is now. I train with boxers.

[FLMKane]

I'm not angry. And I know how it is now. I train with boxers.

[Ghost]

LOL,
why are you so angry, im simply telling you how it is now and where boxing is at.

Seriously, I stated most of what you said in my post if you would read carefully. And old is not always out of date. And no the powerline is ALWAYS the same. And you dont break those knuckles if you train them properly. I also stated until you train those knuckles stick to convention

Also I dont think you know who your talking to. I'm a sifu in Kung Fu. I got there by something called a rank challenge. Basically I beat the crap out of a black belt...then ripped it off him.

As for old man... dude, that guy was an animal...

[FLMKane]

Seriously, I stated most of what you said in my post if you would read carefully. And old is not always out of date. And no the powerline is ALWAYS the same. And you dont break those knuckles if you train them properly. I also stated until you train those knuckles stick to convention

Also I dont think you know who your talking to. I'm a sifu in Kung Fu. I got there by something called a rank challenge. Basically I beat the crap out of a black belt...then ripped it off him.

As for old man... dude, that guy was an animal...

[Ghost]

lol thats old man, no one punches like this anymore.
It was thrown out decades ago for a more powerful method.

That book is useful but it is out of date now.

For your own reference the reason its not used is in his own book. Although he is trying to avoid this..but i will quote
"Unfortunately, however, the hand-bone behind the little knuckle is the most fragile of the five backbones. It can be broken the most easily.
You must not attempt to land first with the little knuckle."


And you just never really avoid breaking these knuckles when you punch without gloves against someone face. Even if you try to distribute the power as he says, it doesnt work ultimately. Which is why it was dropped. As technique improved and became more powerful then the standard punch of today took over.
The powerline of the rotated horizontal fist is to the large knuckles, they are also much stronger. Its a no contest im afraid as to which style is superior. Hence why it is used.

If you dont have trained fists, punch with the first two knuckles to reduce injuries. But punching with your last two knuckles is WAY more powerful. Simple reason:the wieght of your hand acts through the little finger knuckle. When you shift your weight to punch, the force goes through that knuckle.

My advice to you, is to get a body bag...and punch it without wearing gloves, with the last two knuckles as the aiming point. It'll hurt for a while, but with two months of punching for half an hour a day, you should be able to break clay pots without feeling pain.Thats when you start punching with the last two knuckles.

If your coach still has problems, shut him up with this.

http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf

[FLMKane]

I have read books that have said when punching someone without a glove, to use the last two knuckles of your hand as the aiming point, but my boxing coach has said it is the first two knuckles?

Can some of you badass boxers/martial artists give me your perspective? Thanks.

If you dont have trained fists, punch with the first two knuckles to reduce injuries. But punching with your last two knuckles is WAY more powerful. Simple reason:the wieght of your hand acts through the little finger knuckle. When you shift your weight to punch, the force goes through that knuckle.

My advice to you, is to get a body bag...and punch it without wearing gloves, with the last two knuckles as the aiming point. It'll hurt for a while, but with two months of punching for half an hour a day, you should be able to break clay pots without feeling pain.Thats when you start punching with the last two knuckles.

If your coach still has problems, shut him up with this.

http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf