Punching without gloves, which knuckles to use?

[martial09k]

Speed training

I just watch this video on speed training, punching wthout gloves i think it's cool man..here's the link: http://www.pragmaticmartialarts.com/...hp?topic=208.0

[Middleweight]

That comes down to how you set up the pre-fight.

By the time I'm ready to throw a punch, the person is already mentally and emotionally disarmed, usually (and because of the way I look and act) they have underestimated me, so I play to that. I'm the guy who feigns weakness, who doesn't want trouble, but has already decided than you have crossed the line, and you are a threat.

When I know the time to act comes I will ask a question to engage the person's mid brain, causing confusion, and giving me a window of entry. The more random the better. "Did you fuckk my goat?", as taught to me by one of my students, works a treat.

Like I said, the punch will travel no further than 12 inches, from outside of the tunnel vision caused by adrenaline. If your initiaition speed is right and the set up is correct, the only muscle reaction that can respond quickly enough if it sees the blow is the eyelid, closing the eyes as a reflex, and making the job easier.

As I say to people all the time, there is a lot more to self protection than punches and kicks.

With post 11 = excellent

[Middleweight]

Its a good question actually.

When you box for any period of time, especially if you wrap and tape your hands and wear 14oz or 16oz gloves to spar with, it can become deceptive. A number of boxers (including Mike Tyson) have broken their hands in streetfights because they didn't form a full fist and hit with the correct part of the hand (though I'm sure the other guy didn't come off too great either)

If we are talking bare knuckle for SP, then you have major hits and minor hits (to set up the former). Strike with the first two knuckles, usually (for me) with a short right cross, against the tip of the jaw or as close as you can along the jawline, to shake the brain and render the opponent unconscious. The punch doesn't need to travel more than 12 inches and accuracy is far more important than power. That is my major application of boxing tools for a situation outside the ring.

If you need a set up with a minor hit, strike with the middle or outside knuckles to "the button" i.e. the collection of nerves below the nose and just above the mouth. This causes a closing of the eyes, tears, distraction and pain....setting up the main shot to the jaw.

Thats when things go well, but most of the time the fucker usually moves and you hit teeth, cheeks, ears and hair. But thats fun too

Use the left jab and land it anywhere you can, except on the eyebrows or above. hard to pick spots... just hit the guy and throw them in bunches... 3 in a row = good. I aim for under the nost too: center of face... miss and hit the chin is ok

If you 'see' the low ribs, then hit them hard. Risky to go 'downstairs' though.

Anyone who thinks street fighting is fun needs re-think.

Please use wisdom... = Far better to be wise and live; than foolish and die for nothing more than ego fulfillment

p.s. 5 mins later: I just read your profile. There isn't much I can tell you

[Middleweight]

the two smaller knuckles on the outside are the ones that hurt me, my two bigger knuckles on the inside are the ones that hurt you.

Please see my post number 45. Sorry I am lousy at this quotes thing. It will improve though

Real lousy. This (post 45) is my reply to post number one

[Middleweight]

"Just like in Judo..."
Really?

In JUDO a black belt only means you're ready to teach BEGINNERS.

If you ever cross paths with a serious 3 dan or higher you'll understand the difference. You don't get rank in organized sport by beating up anyone and swiping their obi.

But you can usually find a club that will let you try.

LOL. A strong agile brown belter is tough enough.

Hey, the US Marines learn stuff in 13 totally intense weeks. This stuff works real good. Put that together with a season in a decent boxing club, and you are good to go.

In the street, If I had to choose; I'd rather scrap a black belt karateka, than a Marine just back from active combat duty.

Judo rules. Works great. I know very little of it, though

[Middleweight]

Karate hits with the two big knuckles. Boxers hit with the two smaller ones. I hit harder as a boxer, and those knuckles (at least for me) seem to be able to absorb more shock.

IMO the larger ones will break easier. With much practise, delivering a heel of the hand strike in similar fashion might be a safer way to go if in the street (Under the chin, then hook to the solar plexus/ribs or knee in berries. Both end in a hip throw). You give up about 3 inches of distance, but still have both hands. Exception: right or left hook to the jaw. In the street, land it hard and you should have it done

It is very hard to take a guy out once you have even a small fracture of the knuckle. Hopefully the job is already done. Avoid the eyebrows, they break knuckles as does the forehead... moreso the eyebrows: 'sharper'

Read post number 15. He is right on.
Also good is the backfist in Karate... a very fast and effective opening move. Sets up for second and maybe third shot. eg: rt bkfist-left punch-hard right.

Fast sprinting ability is still best option though. Cemetaries are full of dead but once-brave tough guys

[Tant01]

......
And yes in some schools there is something called a rank challenge. Just like in Judo and some styles of Karate.

"Just like in Judo..."
Really?

In JUDO a black belt only means you're ready to teach BEGINNERS.

If you ever cross paths with a serious 3 dan or higher you'll understand the difference. You don't get rank in organized sport by beating up anyone and swiping their obi.

But you can usually find a club that will let you try.

[Tant01]

yeah....(?)

The problem is'nt the forearm itself its the BONES. There are two of them. On is bigger and closer to the little finger, and connect directly to the elbow, directly with the triceps, directly to the transfer of energy.

And yes in some schools there is something called a rank challenge. Just like in Judo and some styles of Karate.

I agree. They are small bones. (easy to break) Further, the many soft tissues between all those bones are also prone to trauma. Hence the importance of alignment. Personally I find a closed fist very limited unless it's wrapped around a tool. I also tend favor palm strikes and elbows to a fist... Go figure?

[FLMKane]

Which knuckles?

Check out the anatomy yourself. The most efficient force transfer will be delivered through a NUTRAL wrist position. With a PROPER (nutral) wrist position relative to the LINE of force your BIG knuckles will align with the forearm.

But don't take my word for anything!

The problem is'nt the forearm itself its the BONES. There are two of them. On is bigger and closer to the little finger, and connect directly to the elbow, directly with the triceps, directly to the transfer of energy.

And yes in some schools there is something called a rank challenge. Just like in Judo and some styles of Karate.

[FLMKane]

FINGER DARTS!? ARE YOU CRAZY? You'll end up with broken FINGERS! They require more training than punches

[Mr. Magnum]

Without hand protection I used to avoid punches like the plague. I'd stick to finger darts, chops and grapples etc. However I just never could get past how great punching feels. So I started Iron Palm training. Learn how to punch through bricks? ...probably sufficient. Iron palm actually made my chops and finger darts 10X more effective. So I'd have to recommended learning Iron palm, it perfectly supplements every martial art. Need a good place to start?
Iron Body Training

[Ghost]

I thought you had been in Nam or something, or maybe Iraq part 1 First Blood?

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[FLMKane]

it does.

How many wars have you fought in?

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[Ghost]

I dont have a school.

My teaching style? Only a few people survived it. I make them spar after every kata, because I hate katas. I also got a boxer and Judoka to help improve my fighting. I believe in being a good martial artist, but I dont believe in style. Does that explain how I teach?

it does.

How many wars have you fought in?

[FLMKane]

So do you run your own school now?
Whats your teaching style like?

I dont have a school.

My teaching style? Only a few people survived it. I make them spar after every kata, because I hate katas. I also got a boxer and Judoka to help improve my fighting. I believe in being a good martial artist, but I dont believe in style. Does that explain how I teach?