Street fights with weapons?

[sakuraba fan]

pick up my car and throw it? lol...i think driving it into the person would work?

[punk000]

i was in one...kinda... this guy hopped up on pcp stabed me with a barbeque fork and demanded i give him back his discman... i didnt fight back tho

[RishDog]

where were you stabbed?

[punk000]

right in the chest, it went in about 1 and 1/2 an inch deep, i still have the scar, but this happend when i was like 12.

[Awu]

Working in security for the past 5 years, i encountered many fights involving weapons (some personal fights involving the "Triads", but that's another story). Luckly i was never shot, or stabbed. When a weapon comes out in a fight, you should always have the common sense to get away if possible. If that's not a possibility, you better be well trained. Just remember that there is always a way out. When a weapon is drawn, it's a threat to your life. Do whatever, and i mean whatever necessary to get out alive. At this point you can say, f**k the law, the rules or moral value. Just survive.

Bri Thai, your encounter with an Aids victim is scary.I was in a situation like that once, almost got stabbed with a needle (all that because the bastrd had stolen a few cd's). That's why i say,in a fight involving weapons (of any kind), just survive.

[foolsknight362]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
mace... pepper spray works..

knives is real old school, it's really all bout guns.. if you got one you gonna win..

I really dislike this fact, but its true. Sad, but true. Whatever happened to honor? Or balls? Sure any idiot can take out a gun and pull the trigger, but how many do you know that can fight like a true warrior? (rhetorical question)

[ryanhall]

A warrior wins. Winning by cheating is a hell of a lot better for your health than dying with honor. Nobody with half a brain fights with honor when it's really on the line. Guns are not the be all and end all of personal protection. Any fool can use one, but having one does not an invincible enemy make.

[Seiryuzenshin]

I agree, but cheating leads to such a tainted victory. If you can live with that, fine. I know that I can't.

Naturally, I'll do as much as I can to keep from losing my life, or that of a loved one, but I wouldn't go so far as to kill someone else... with a gun.

Peace,
Sei

[Tory]

I have no problem defending my life or anothers with a gun if needed.

Living sure beats the other option!

[Seiryuzenshin]

After pondering on this subject very hard last night (I've never actually put hardcore thought into this type of situation), I would definatly agree with you Tory. But as you said it, if needed .

Peace,
Sei

[ryanhall]

if needed

One does not usually point a firearm at someone and depress the trigger unless there is a good reason for it.

I'll do as much as I can to keep from losing my life, or that of a loved one, but I wouldn't go so far as to kill someone else... with a gun

Firstoff, killing someone with you hands is a lot harder than doing it with a gun. Secondly, if you're questionable about whether you could protect your own life or the life of another with a firearm, there's likely no way you're using your hands to do something. A firearm offers one some detachment from the situation--making it less personal. Ending the life of another with your bare hands, watching them take their last breaths will mess you up badly unless you can completely justify your actions to yourself. Even then, you still won't be feeling too well. Just something to think about.

[Seiryuzenshin]

Originally posted by ryanhall

One does not usually point a firearm at someone and depress the trigger unless there is a good reason for it.

Wow. I definatly disagree with that one. If I am wrong... then obviously all the armed robbery, and homocides that go on so much today are for a good reason?

On the other hand, if you are refering to self defense, then of course I agree with you.

As to the second half of your post, I can see where you are going. But for me, personally, it's different. Just to give an example, according to your analysis: I would have a MUCH easier time beating the snot, even to death, out of someone with my hands, than I would by using a baseball bat... etc. And as far as being messed up, thats true. That would certainly effect the vast majority of people. But again, with me its different. I don't feel the need to explain myself.

Peace,
Sei

[foolsknight362]

Originally posted by ryanhall
A warrior wins. Winning by cheating is a hell of a lot better for your health than dying with honor. Nobody with half a brain fights with honor when it's really on the line. Guns are not the be all and end all of personal protection. Any fool can use one, but having one does not an invincible enemy make.

A warrior wins? You say that and then you continue to tell me that any fool can use a gun to kill someone? Thus winning? A warrior fights honorably, and your right, any fool can use a gun to kill someone. But an imbicile wins. Not always a warrior. You can lose everything that you have, including your honor. But all that you need is faith, and honor will be returned to you. I hate to tell you, but I fight honorably. And to me I have much more than half a brain to fight honorably,... and I am not just another solecistic chump that hits from behind, or destroys an oppenent when they know very well that they have vanquished them, or kills by pulling a trigger.

[ryanhall]

Come back and talk to me after someone has held a knife to your throat while threatening to kill you.

But all that you need is faith, and honor will be returned to you. I hate to tell you, but I fight honorably. And to me I have much more than half a brain to fight honorably,... and I am not just another solecistic chump that hits from behind, or destroys an oppenent when they know very well that they have vanquished them, or kills by pulling a trigger.

Being self-righteous and trying to live by chivalry is ridiculous. Why should I be fair when I am not the aggressor? When someone tries to hurt you in earnest, honor can easily fly right out the window. The honor exists in protecting yourself and your loved ones, not dying because you were too set in your ways to understand real life and do what was needed.

I am not just another solecistic chump that hits from behind, or destroys an oppenent when they know very well that they have vanquished them, or kills by pulling a trigger.

I don't recall suggesting that you were a chump. Why don't you go field test your moral code in Southeast DC? If you don't give them trouble, they won't bother you, right? Why don't you go and beat up that pimp on the corner who just slapped his girlfriend. That would show him and his buddies a thing or two about proper gentlemanly behavior. They wouldn't sucker punch you or gang up on you--that would be dishonorable. The idea that they might use a weapon would be even more unthinkable. Unfortunately, things don't work out quite that cleanly. Welcome to reality. Just a note, there's not a lot of vanquishing that goes on in self defense. The word 'survival' is a lot more applicable.

A warrior wins? You say that and then you continue to tell me that any fool can use a gun to kill someone? Thus winning?

I never suggested that using a gun was always justified. I wasn't responding to you when I made the comment to which you referred in your post. Winning means making it out alive. This may or may not mean the serious injury or death or the other party.

[eXcessiveForce]

I would hope that Ryan did not mean what people are reading into his statement.

Honor has nothing to do with using weapons. You can fight honorably with a weapon or without. There is no honor lost in resorting to using a weapon when you are outmatched.

Honor is lost when you are not justified in what you do.

For example you execute someone because they cut you off in traffic and then when you pull them over and confront them you shoot them as they get out of the car. Or if they lose their temper and push you.


As Musashi said, it is dishonorable to die with a weapon untried.

In a life and death struggle you would lose honor if you gave up and let yourself be killed when you still had tools at your disposal.

Think of the black knight in monty python's search for the holy grail.

Honor dictates you do whatever it takes to be victorious. If that means beating an attacker to death with your hands, or trying to tear their throat out with your teeth.

Knowing if you fail you have forfeit your life or that of your loved ones.


People often mistake the concept of honor with that of fair play.
Fair play has rules like
no kicking in the groin
don't bite
don't pull hair

These rules have no place in combat.