Foundations

[Szczepankiewicz]

Learning foundations is also a process that can take years

Krys makes a good point. To thoroughly understand the principles (i.e. the foundation) will probably take years.

However, to grasp the key concepts of a system, especially if that system is geared towards self-defense, shouldn't take more than six months to a year tops. If it does, either the system is bollocks or the instruction is poor.

A motivated student should be able to learn a very strong foundation of basic physical techniques and the underlying principles.

That's one of the things that make Combatives so effective. The principles are sound and all the techniques are basic moves stemming directly from these principles.

In the olden days perhaps the old master-disciple relationship was necessary and effective. However, in our post-modern consumer driven age of information, this needs to be re-addressed if the MA business is to survive. (And it has been for a lot of artists, Allah be Praised!)

Getting back to Krys' comments, to truly understand the foundational principles will take a long time indeed.

Spanky

[jubaji]

Since when do people from Idaho say "bollocks" ?

[Thai Bri]

He is in training to become an honourary Brit. He has already grasped the key concepts,but the foundations will take years.

For example, he still thinks that "chips" are thin crunchy things that come in packets. Once he has grasped the concept of true chips, we will slowly develop him in the area of steak pudding and mushy peas.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
He is in training to become an honourary Brit.

What did he do wrong to merit such a punishment?

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Thai Bri

For example, he still thinks that "chips" are thin crunchy things that come in packets. Once he has grasped the concept of true chips,

...the things in the computers, right?

[Thai Bri]

No and, alas, not the ones in the Casino.

The ones in the clever little British Fish and Chip shop. You phillistine.

[jubaji]

I was with ya right up 'til when you called me a phillipino






Do they like British food?

[Thai Bri]

Dear boy. A phillistine is not a phillipino.

And no one likes British food. It is quite dull. Except curry. That is now recognised as the most popular dish in Britain (Honestly, it was on the news after a serious scientific study).

I suppose the Continent of Asia can take a liitle bit of the credit.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Thai Bri

I suppose the Continent of Asia can take a liitle bit of the credit.

Colonizing India:
Now, that's a lot of trouble to go through to get some decent chow!

[krys]

However, to grasp the key concepts of a system, especially if that system is geared towards self-defense, shouldn't take more than six months to a year tops. If it does, either the system is bollocks or the instruction is poor.

A motivated student should be able to learn a very strong foundation of basic physical techniques and the underlying principles.

I agree with you... the problem is that often the student isn't motivated enough ,instruction is poor or the instructor is keeping material....

It is very easy in tma to fool students.. ie make them believe you are good, or you are teaching them in the proper way when it's not the case. In Asia instructors will often give a very different kind of training to indoor or outdoor student's...... people's who haven't been there will hardly understand this.

That's one of the things that make Combatives so effective. The principles are sound and all the techniques are basic moves stemming directly from these principles.

It's harder to withold information in Combatives or to teach if one's level is really bad... student's will soon discover on the mat\ring when they are fooled in boxing, bjj, muay thai... When I felt my first bjj instructor wasn't correcting me anymore I stoped and went to another gym the following week...

Another factor is the level of motivation, ie a boxer type will probably spend more energy into training than the average tai ch chuan i-aikido practitioner...
There is also less material to master before you can start to fight properly in combatives, one can be reasonably good at boxing by going three times a week to a boxing gym with an average instructor... this is is not the case for tmas... You need much more energy and a very good instructor to make things work....

Some of my friends in a thirld world country are jobless, have no money to go out or do anything, live in shantytowns, bodies are found in the creek-street every week ... only thing they do is hang around and practice martial arts (empty hands, blades), I can garantee you these peoples know how to fight even if they practice tmas ....

In the olden days perhaps the old master-disciple relationship was necessary and effective. However, in our post-modern consumer driven age of information, this needs to be re-addressed if the MA business is to survive. (And it has been for a lot of artists, Allah be Praised!)

I am for elitism in mas, I train an average of 4-5 hours a day and also abroad during my vacations.

Everybody isn't ready for martial arts... sorry to say that but too many peoples just train to socialize or get entertained.... They waste their time, their instructor's time, and the time of the very few potentially motivated. How many did I see practicing ma's for years (even bjj) losing 95% of what they learned when they got into troubles.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by jubaji


Colonizing India:
Now, that's a lot of trouble to go through to get some decent chow!

Curry is actually a British invention.

[jubaji]

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by Kosh


Curry is actually a British invention.

The Thais probably disagree.

[one sword]

and the Indians and Pakistani and about half a dozen other countries.

[Thai Bri]

I think (hope) Kosh was joking.

ps - one sword. Cool quote from a cool book. But the film was bollocks.