mixing Wing Chun and Boxing?

[Seismic Anamoly]

I don't have to do any leg work. You come from a given premise that he knew how to fight. You use that premise upon which to base your arguments. Along the lines of "WC is better than boxing because WSL left boxing for it". But so what? That may merely mean that he couldn't cut any ice in such a hard game, so he went to the trad MA world for an easier time. You have not shown that your premise is true, and the onus is on you.

Back to topic - I agree that the principles are too conflicting to really mix and match WC and Boxing. It would be a bit like trying to learn how to ride/drive a car and a motorbike at the same time.

1) "I dont have to do any leg work." Since you're doing the disputing. You dispel the myth with your facts instead of opinion. In other words, give me something tangible in this instance.

2) Where I base my premise and what I use to support it are two different things. You've obviously taken one statement and made a leap of thought (maybe you misread something?). I never once said (or insinuated) that because WSL left WC Wing Chun was superior and boxing was inferior. You drew that conclusion from way out in left field. But dont worry, I think I left enough bread crumbs that even you can follow.

3) What premise did I have to prove true? The premise of WSL had legitimate fights? Or the premise you conjured on my behalf?

4) If my statements had any underpinnings it was that WSL felt WC was more "complete" for fighting, than boxing after having seen what an old man can do.

-SA

[Seismic Anamoly]

WSL used his boxing skills to fight anyone from any style, as he was wanting to find the best fighting system. It wasn't until he got manipulated by Yip Man (Yip Man didn't punch him up, but WSL acknowledged that he could have punched him at will), after first beating up his nephew. At that point he knew he had found a better system than the one he had and became a student almost immediately. WSL always said that if you had a better way of doing something - he wanted to know it, as he was always looking to improve as a fighter.

Personally I like the boxing/fencing footwork to deliver me to the opponent and then ground myself as I deliver my blows.

VTgreg,

Amen.

[Seismic Anamoly]

But did any of this actually happen?

Errrrr. No.

Well the burden of proof lays on you.

Prove that it didn't happen.




-SA

[Thai Bri]

Nope. The onus is to prove a positive, not prove a negative.

[Seismic Anamoly]

Nope. The onus is to prove a positive, not prove a negative.

Again, prove without opinion. Qualatative facts, not quantative jargon.

[Thai Bri]

Are you sherwinc?

[Seismic Anamoly]

Are you sherwinc?

I dont know? Is being a "sherwinc" a good or a bad thing?

[Thai Bri]

Clue. It is not a good thing.

[IPON]

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Hey some effect is better than no effect

[VTGreg]

Bruce acknowledged in a letter to WSL that he was the man most responsible for teaching him and honing his fighting skills. If you remember the story of Bruce waiting outside the kwoon for the other students to arrive and when they did he told them that the teacher was sick so they would leave and he could then train privately with the teacher - well that was with WSL and not Yip Man. Wong Sifu told me that when he found out that that was what Bruce was up to he gave Bruce quite a private lesson (he said with a smile) and Bruce came out with a black eye, and bruises.

Hey, there is nothing wrong with VT - it's what Bruce used in a real fight (when he had them). Ted wong and Danny both said that Bruce would just straight blast a guy and that was it. It is a valid system. Boxing skills are too when used right, and most of the guys on here talk about following up with finishing tools from grappling. It's all good!

[Thai Bri]

Half truths. WSL can pretend he gave Bruce a black eye if he wants to..... And Inosanto did say that, in every fight he saw, Bruce alwas used the straight blast. He did NOT say that this was the only thing he used.

[VTGreg]

Half truths. WSL can pretend he gave Bruce a black eye if he wants to..... And Inosanto did say that, in every fight he saw, Bruce alwas used the straight blast. He did NOT say that this was the only thing he used.

At that time Wong Sifu was far beyond Bruce in fighting skills (Bruce was a few years younger and still hadn't come to America), so it isn't hard for me to imagine that Bruce got a black eye. It's fairly easy to give one to somebody, even accidently, in Chi Sau training.

The only time I heard of Bruce not keeping a fight simple and direct was when he wanted to teach the loud mouth kid a lesson on the set of ETD. He apparently toyed with the kid, even telling him what he was doing wrong as Bruce would tag him at will. It ended up looking more like a lesson, and only when the kid smiled and bowed to Bruce at the end did everyone see the kids mouth was all bloody.

It seems to me that people on these boards like to negate the effectiveness of VT - even though that's the only system that Bruce really learned and ingrained, and this is ultimately a Bruce Lee website. If it hasn't worked effectively for you, I'm sorry that you weren't taught by a good instructor. One should see what Jesse Glover has done with the VT he was taught by Bruce - it's simple, powerful and awesome.

Sure, these other skills everyone here seems to have acquired are great too, and I personally acknowledge that, but many others here will not acknowledge the effectiveness of VT, even though it is the base for JKD!

[Kultra]

I have a video from kazaa, it is a WC/kyokushin fight. Guy throws large series. BAM! 1punch ko from karateka!

I seen the vid too and the WC guy was not doing WC, he must have gotten nervous or something cause all he did was run at the krokushin guy flailing his arms till he got hit in the stomach and went down

and back to topic, I plan on mixing in Boxing with WC, every wing chunner is suppose to make WC his own WC anyway so adding boxing punches while keeping the blocks and sticky hands of WC should help make me a better fighter than learning either style on its own

[Thai Bri]

Greg, who hasit worked for? Show me who won what with VT?

Kultra. Peraps there is a reason that guy did not do WC. Becase it doesn't work.

[Kultra]

Greg, who hasit worked for? Show me who won what with VT?

Kultra. Peraps there is a reason that guy did not do WC. Becase it doesn't work.

whats your proof WC doesn't work?
and I had no idea you been to every fight that ever happened, whats that like?

Anyway I'm not tryin to say WC is the best art or whatever it just takes a lot more time to be able to use it effectively, its true in saying I can get more out of 8 boxing lessons that I can 8 WC lessons but just because I can learn boxing quicker doesn't necessarily make it better

WC as I heard it put one way is that its a scientific art in that you train your body to react differently than an art like boxing would and because of this it takes longer to train to use it in a fight

There is also the whole "not the style but the person" thing too. I seen some lousy boxing, muay thai and gracie jui jitsu people and some good WC along with crappy WC folk from the same school proving it's just not for everyone