China Na, and how it compares...

[choylifutrocks]

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone has learned Chin Na in their form of Kung Fu and is able to pick apart its application, and has any feedback on how it compares to other grappling arts. I am aware that it is old, and probably somewhat "out-dated" and is integrated into styles, not taught by itself. I also am fully aware that we use all 108 implimentation of Chin Na in Choy Li Fut, however I cannot pick it all apart for myself, due to lack of experience. I am hoping to hear from someone who knows Jiu Jitsu (BJJ of course included), or some other art that stemmed from Chin Na.

Oh yeah, and no offense but to all of you who want to break down the word Chin Na, and talk about Chi, etc. I'm only interested in the actual physical aspects of it, and understand what Chin Na means.

[chris davis 200]

I have studied Ju Jutsu and Judo as well as chinese internal systems-

The Chin na that i have learned in the internal systems can sometimes be identical to Ju Jutsu and Judo - I have learned hip throws that are very similar to Judo and locking that is very similar to Ju Jutsu, both standing and grounded.

I think that chin na should not be seperated as a concept - it should be thought of as an intergration of the actual art. You should just think - Will this work - how easy is it to pull off - etc.

In ba gua - (especially Cheng style) Throwing and locking are extremely itergrated, most applications have some sort of lock or throw included.

http://www.shenwu.com/

Tim cartmell - is an active internal stylist with a very in depth knowledge of the application of Chin na.

Check out his virtual acadamy.

hope this helps

Chris

[Szczepankiewicz]

I'm not sure how much of our grappling techniques come directly from Chin Na, but what we do works pretty well. I'll have to double check the origin, but we have a technique called 'Basic Lock' where you have both hands and your body locking on to one of your opponents limbs. Essentially you get your entire body working to 'trap' the opponents limb. In and of itself it's purely a setup move. You can release it as fast as you get it, so you're not overcommitting yourself to a bad situation.

The concept, or 'foundational principle' is universally applicable to any grappling. If you can get your 3:1 Ratio going you own the arm or leg for long enough to transition into the more standardized triangle locks or arm bars.

I've used it playing with Judoka and low ranking BJJ and it gives them fits. I haven't been able to apply the concept as well to the experienced BJJ, but then again, I haven't had enough opportunities.

Our 'Chin Na' is so blended with the Japanese Jujutsu it's hard for me to distinguish some of it. The techniques that are clearly Chin Na work pretty well when the situation presents itself.

Spanky

[choylifutrocks]

Thanks Chris and Spanx...Sorry I havn't been able to get on the net for a while to view your posts, but I really appreciate the information. Great posts! I love BJJ, but it's nice to see a little frustration in their grappling skills every once in a while, especially coming from CMA's, which get very little respect on this forum. They may not all be the most devestating--or devestating at all in the case of some CMAs-- but for the most part, they are a lot of fun.