Wing Chun or Wing Tsun?

[Red Rum]

Please bash the person, not the art guys....

Ow my ears... my beloved wing chun... slipping away....

[jubaji]

Please bash the person, not the art guys........

Ok, you're a ******* moron.

[jubaji]

Exactly!! Why would you want to be stuck in an art that rips you off and doesn't teach you anything. Or worse, makes you believe that you are awesome!!!

*ahem*...........................................

[gregimotis]

I was on about your martial arts not your job Thai Bri lol

ROFL!

This last few posts > the whole rest of this thread.

[tjwingchun]

ROFL!

This last few posts > the whole rest of this thread.

Been doing Wing Chun for 34 years and teaching it professionally for over 24, the whole debate about the various ways of spelling Wing Chun is pointless, I have said on many occasions that in MY view Wing Chun is simply the application of body mechanics applied to violent confrontations, it is the merits of the individual instructor that varies depending on their personal experience, ability and how many brain cells between their ears.

Since I started coming into forums a few years ago I have been amazed at the hatred of Wing Chun, I can understand the bitterness of Thai Bri as he had contact with immature instructors and I admnit when I started in 1983 my classes were not that indepth, but like anything as we grow we develop and so I only defend what I teach now, but make no apologies for going through the learning curve that any teacher goes through.

Now to the whole point of this reply, if you cannot laugh at yourself and your art then you should give up before you turn into a bitter and wrinkled old prune, sorry Thai Bri not getting at you again, lol.

[Red Rum]

As it has been mentioned before, Thai Bri has based his wing chun experience on three teachers who taught the art too traditionally for him.

There are varying versions of wing chun out there from school to school

Some want to train very traditionally which involves less fighting and more about structure.

A lot of other federations (Kamon, James Sinclair, Alan Orr, for example) concentrate more on the practicalites of wing chun. If you use wing chun right and train against resisting opponents (that Jubajii and Thai Bri say we don't do), then it is devastating.

I have been to various schools and I always give them a chance. If a school doesn't train fighting then so be it. It isn't for me, but I respect the school's training methods, as long as it doesn't claim to be self defence or a fighting martial art

[Red Rum]

As it has been mentioned before, Thai Bri has based his wing chun experience on three teachers who taught the art too traditionally for him.

There are varying versions of wing chun out there from school to school

Some want to train very traditionally which involves less fighting and more about structure.

A lot of other federations (Kamon, James Sinclair, Alan Orr, for example) concentrate more on the practicalites of wing chun. If you use wing chun right and train against resisting opponents (that Jubajii and Thai Bri say we don't do), then it is devastating.

I have been to various schools and I always give them a chance. If a school doesn't train fighting then so be it. It isn't for me, but I respect the school's training methods, as long as it doesn't claim to be self defence or a fighting martial art

As for humour, I think humour has a limit. People have a right to be offended if someone insults the thing they love. Just as if someone had insulted a friend or lover........

[jubaji]

If you use wing chun right and train against resisting opponents then it is devastating.

Against other WC students...

[Red Rum]

Against other WC students...

Not at all. I sparred with my mate last night who is a blue belt in Gracie Barra.

And decimated him.

[jubaji]

Yeah, I believe you...


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[Thai Bri]

Red Rum - just how many times do I have to remind you that the "Wing Chun2 in the Kamon videos is Kick Boxing?

Durrrrr.

Let TJ take a look at the site and see all the clips. Then he can tell us which ones are Wing Chun, and which ones are not.

I don't even have a problem with Kamon doing this. But to see you keep referring to this MMA type hotch potch as Wing Chun is ridiculous.

While your at it, as hom how much sense it makes to punch bare walls with your bare hands as hard as you can.

[tjwingchun]

Let TJ take a look at the site and see all the clips. Then he can tell us which ones are Wing Chun, and which ones are not.

Which site and clips are these?

[Red Rum]

Of course you did. Take it to the mat and see who'd win.

Better yet...put a knife in each one of your hands...and that way both of your uni-dimensional asses lose.

The point is that I didn't let him take me to the ground. The point is that your so called 'useless wing chun' is not so useless.

As for Thai Bri, there are videos of Kevin Chan kickboxing/grappling etc and then videos of him using wing chun. The one where he beats the crap out of us. There are palm strikes, chain punches tan saos, the works.

If you can't find it, go to YOUTUBE and type in 'kamon streetfighting' into the search column. I can't see any kickboxing in that.

[yuriart]

OK GUYS
i know i am a little late to this forum
obviously, what I'm writing is based on info from my sources my own perceptions and prejudices; I surely don't speak for the whole Wing Chun family, and i welcome and are open to any correction that is offered. which i hope it would help me improve.

with that said let me share some light:
wing tsun, wing chun, ving tsun its all the same
if they are teaching the art of wing chun.

it all depends on what the instructor has decided to call it. which it will most likely be his version or " style"

in wing chun there are only 2 aspects

the short bridge and the long bridge.

short bridge, is what most schools all over the world teach.
from what they have learned here, they go ahead and make up fighting combinations.
this they do because they have not learned the second aspect of wing chun training.
which is long bridge, or long distance fighting.

this is and aspect or a continuation of what you have learned, like the siu lium tao, chom kiu, biu jee, the wodden dummy sets, chi sao and the butterfly knives.
(the 6 1/2 inch pole is not a weapon its is use for training purposes. although, yes you can use it to beat somebody to death.)
once you learned these forms and their drills then you need to apply them into fighting.
real distance fighting
its like decoding all these movements and forms and applying it into real fighting.

because, it is most likely that you won't always fight someone in a thin hallway so you can apply close combat.
real fighters move and reach out, they dont stand still.

this aspect of wing chun was not taught to everyone,
ip man shared some elements with those students who like fighting. like wong sheung leung and lok yiu
but from my understanding, he did not teach them the whole particular "sytem"
he only taught this aspect of wing chun to either close friends and private students,
one of them being his disciple Duncan Leung.
from what i know, there where only about a handful of people who learned this aspect of wing chun, unfortunately half of them have already passed away.

i am not mocking or belittling anyone.
there are many instructors who have develop and created their own ways on how to apply the wing chun that they have learned into fighting, one of them being the famous Bruce Lee. for that i applaud you.

but what i am talking about here is that which is true and many do not know or like to admit.
knowledge is priceless, so open your eyes and mind and grow as a martial artist.

to learn more about it go to duncan leung's website
or look for alan lee NYC in youtube



stay safe

[Ben Grimm]

I have to take both sides of the coin here. WC is a great style because of its simplicity in comparison to other styles. Sport boxing may be limited but old school boxing had shin kicks and throws. This was before the introduction of Queensbury Rules. I find Classical Wing Chun to be better than WingTsun, but hey that's just me.