Chinese kickboxing

[Lizard]

Im thinking of starting chinese kickboxing. I used to do Muay thai but gave up because the place where I trained was badly organised and didnt do any sparring.

What techniques are actualy taught in chinese kickboxing? If there is sparring will I be allowed to use Thai techniques (eg will I have to learn to use their style of roundhouse)?

[Lizard]

Forget it, they dont do sparring, want to charge £4 per lesson and the lesson started half an hour earlier than when they said.

2 styles of kickboxing in my area and neither are what I want...

[RuskiRonin]

Im assuming your referring to Sanshou ?.
If you go to study a certain martial art then you will have to use what you learned, obviously if you just want to sparr with other people using your MT Skills do it outside of class. keep it relevant,

[Rudolphuss]

Sanshou also uses Thai roundhouses. Everybody's using Thai roundhouses nowadays.

Where do you live? If you live in the San Francisco-San Jose Bay Area, then you can check out Cung Le's gym in either San Jose or Santa Clara.

https://www.cungle.com

Im thinking of starting chinese kickboxing. I used to do Muay thai but gave up because the place where I trained was badly organised and didnt do any sparring.

There's a lot of sparring in Cung Le's gyms. In fact, he actively encourages his students to participate in tournaments.

What techniques are actualy taught in chinese kickboxing? If there is sparring will I be allowed to use Thai techniques (eg will I have to learn to use their style of roundhouse)?

Everything you learned in Muay Thai can be applied in Sanshou (everything except the elbows). Sanshou also teaching you a lot of wrestling throws and standup grappling. So I think the only thing new you will learn about are the wrestling moves and some new kicks (sidekicks, backfists, and some fancy kicks like spinning sidekicks). Of course if you are more comfortable with push kicks and roundhouses, then I don't think they will force you to throw Kungfu kicks.

[Tom Yum]

Cung Le is legit!

He beat Shonie Carter in a kickboxing match about a year ago. I'd like to see San shou fighters in UFC or Pride!

[Rudolphuss]

Well, Cung Le does Shidokan, so how does Shidokan measure up to NHB?

[Lizard]

Sanshou also uses Thai roundhouses. Everybody's using Thai roundhouses nowadays.

Where do you live? If you live in the San Francisco-San Jose Bay Area, then you can check out Cung Le's gym in either San Jose or Santa Clara.

https://www.cungle.com

There's a lot of sparring in Cung Le's gyms. In fact, he actively encourages his students to participate in tournaments.


Everything you learned in Muay Thai can be applied in Sanshou (everything except the elbows). Sanshou also teaching you a lot of wrestling throws and standup grappling. So I think the only thing new you will learn about are the wrestling moves and some new kicks (sidekicks, backfists, and some fancy kicks like spinning sidekicks). Of course if you are more comfortable with push kicks and roundhouses, then I don't think they will force you to throw Kungfu kicks.

That sounds amazing, but unfortunately theres only one chinese kickboxing place near me and I am not impressed with them. I do really like the Idea of allowing throws in a kickboxing style, its allows for much more variation of techniques and strategies. And alos helps to round the style out a bit.

Is cung le the guy who does a scissor leg takedown?

[Rudolphuss]

"Is cung le the guy who does a scissor leg takedown?"
Yeah.

[konghan]

there is sparring in kung fu

Im thinking of starting chinese kickboxing. I used to do Muay thai but gave up because the place where I trained was badly organised and didnt do any sparring.

What techniques are actualy taught in chinese kickboxing? If there is sparring will I be allowed to use Thai techniques (eg will I have to learn to use their style of roundhouse)?

I dont know if you are aware of this. But every year in China there are full contact tournament, Kung Fu rules. The rules are: kicking head & body use of any style kicking is allowed ( front kick, side kick, axe kick etc. ), punching in the face is allowed, grappling is allowed or grabbing & throwing.

3 rounds 2 min ea. a player that get thrown out of the ring automatically looses the boute. Referees step in as soon as a kick, punch or throw is deliver on taget & a point is awarded.

Tournament begins at regional & local level to the national championship level.

If you really want to test your muay thai skill on kung fu this will a be good tournament to try it on. ( This tournament was design for amature players but I notice many of the chinese players are of high calibre, if I`m not mistaken I beleived they are professional fighters espacially those at the national level.

The chinese fighters are strong from 110 lbs to 150 lbs category. From 160 lbs up most of the winners are Europeans & africa ( heavy weight ).

Kick boxers, boxers, wrestlers, tae kwan do, karate, etc. are all welcome to participate.

So for many out there who are still ignorant of kung fu, there is sparring, there is tournamnet & what the west call kick boxing, grappling, boxing, judo & wrestling you can find it in China. The only difference is that in the west they really commercialised & market contact sport as a business thing, in the east its more for physical health, cultural heritage, self defense & in tournament its for test of skill.

" learning to seriously hurt somebody is nothing to be proud of "

[Tom Yum]

I dont know if you are aware of this. But every year in China there are full contact tournament, Kung Fu rules. The rules are: kicking head & body use of any style kicking is allowed ( front kick, side kick, axe kick etc. ), punching in the face is allowed, grappling is allowed or grabbing & throwing.

3 rounds 2 min ea. a player that get thrown out of the ring automatically looses the boute. Referees step in as soon as a kick, punch or throw is deliver on taget & a point is awarded.

Tournament begins at regional & local level to the national championship level.

If you really want to test your muay thai skill on kung fu this will a be good tournament to try it on. ( This tournament was design for amature players but I notice many of the chinese players are of high calibre, if I`m not mistaken I beleived they are professional fighters espacially those at the national level.

The chinese fighters are strong from 110 lbs to 150 lbs category. From 160 lbs up most of the winners are Europeans & africa ( heavy weight ).

Kick boxers, boxers, wrestlers, tae kwan do, karate, etc. are all welcome to participate.

You are refering to sanda leitai. No ground grappling is allowed, but takedowns and throws are.

[konghan]

You are refering to sanda leitai. No ground grappling is allowed, but takedowns and throws are.

I beleive so, the thing is, in China there is no such thing as professionals all athletes trained heavily just like a pro. And there is no big bucks for martial artist its only here in the west that martial art has been converted into a business enterprise. But there are still private clubs espacially in chinatown area that still practice the traditional kung fu the problem is that some of those kung fu schools have run out of good masters & many of new generation practitioners have now switch & adopted western martial art schools with western standard of training.

There has always been misconseption as far as kung fu is concern, in fact before the time of Bruce Lee. Kung Fu have a reputation in the western world for being weak, useless & more like dancing. It was only after Bruce Lee introduced real kug fu to the world that westerners begun to understand kung fu in its true form. Bruce developed his kung fu after visiting China in Guanqzhou province & Hongkong there he witnessed real kung fu, that was before Wuh Su was introduced to the west.

Me, I`m a veteran Ngo Cho Kun kung fu practitioner my lvl, I would say would be in the instructor or coach lvl not master lvl. NCK emphasied a lot on power punching, foot work, short powerful snap kicks & hand movement.

My late Sifu master Lo King Hui was a true kung fu master he taught us the true essence of kung fu in NCK & how to utilised & develop that power necessary to knock your attacker down. His principle which is also the basic principle of Ngo Cho Kun is that, a martial artist should be able to deliver a power blow or technigque in 2 or 3 moves that would successefully stop, stunned , knock or disble an attacker.

" learning to seriously hurt somebody is nothing to be proud of "

[Tom Yum]

Can you share a few links about Ngo Cho Kun? Does it translate to Wu Shou Chuan in Mandarin or something??

[bvermillion]

Lizard, whats available where you live maybe we can help you make a decision based on whats available?

[konghan]

Can you share a few links about Ngo Cho Kun? Does it translate to Wu Shou Chuan in Mandarin or something??

In mandarin its Wu Zu Quan. there isn`t much link as far as ngo cho kun is concern in fact its not a popular art here in north america. NCK is more well known in South East Asia,South China ( Fukkien & Guandong province ) it is popular in Okinawa Japan too.

Training in martial art is really difficult, if one is training for health its ok just to go thru the motion of the form but if one is training for fighting, absorbing the essence of the forms is very important. But since we live in a world of " instant ", internet, movies, TV, bar, console games. Many people don`t have that kind of dedication nor time to train properly. Training in actual sparring & form goes hand in hand.

One of the best training place that one can get & get paid to learn to kill, to survive, in hand to hand combat plus training in the use of assorted fire arm is, in the military.

[Lizard]

Lizard, whats available where you live maybe we can help you make a decision based on whats available?

Ok well there is

thai boxing - i left becuase i didnt like the way it was being taught
chinese kickboxing - expensive and no sparring
karate - ive seen some of those classes, no chance

A friend told me that there is a place not too far away that does some kind of kickboxing (though he wasnt sure what kind it was), Im gonna investigate that sometime... but I have little hope