Wing Chun - an overview of its training methods and effectiveness.

[Tameo]

Thai bri you havent even learned the Chum Kiu form and the wooden dummy form. I also doubt you have mastered the Biu Jee in one year of training. You cant judge the effectiveness of Wing Chun from 1 year's training.

[kobra]

[QUOTE=Thai Bri]A year of dedicated training is enough to judge. [QUOTE]

But you yourself say that you only did the first form. You are righting off an art without the full picture.

[Tameo]

The boxer didnt even understand how he was being hit.

[Tameo]

This one kid in my traditional WC school is fourteen years old and he trained for 1.5 years. He beat an Olympic champion boxer who is in his twenties... I witnessed it. He got hit 3 times he hit the boxer about 30 times. So WC can be very effective in a short period of time. Maybe Thai Bri had very bad instructors who couldn’t teach him anything useful in a year. At the place were I go the sifu knows what he is talking about and we spar very often and have full contact classes.

[bartjam]

If you only trained 1 year in Wing Chun how can you say that you know it enough to give such a scaving attack on its effectiveness? It is you who is naive.

Wing Chun is an effective close range style well suited to self defence situations. But you have to learn it before you can use it.

honest WT/WC teachers teach basic concepts and let you train hard, so that you can defend yourself against the average thug in 5-6 months, providing you use intelligent scenario-training. An example? Hans-J. Reimers, whose organization (The Alliance) accepts cross-training and lets its members fight in NHB. Is it just a coincidence, BTW?
Those who tell you that you have to train for years before being able to fight are either morons or thieves. Those who tell you that you can't fight without being efficent at chi-sau are also stupids. An effective SD system can't rely upon refined attributes. It should allow you to use your gross motor skills in adrenaline-packed situations. Period.
If Bri Thai felt that after 1 year of serious training he couldn't fight against a 1 year trained thai boxer, it means that what they were teaching him was flawed.
Adavanced WC practitioner can surely get useful tools through chi-sau, wooden dummy etc. etc., but it's absurd to base one's SD skills on other than simple, straight no-nonsense concepts and techniques that have been trained realistically under adrenaline stress.

[Thai Bri]

A year of dedicated training is enough to judge. Especially since I have sommuch experience in both real fighting and other arts.

If I was saying how brillian the art was, you would not be criticisng the length of time I trained. You'd be falling over yourself to agree.

[m.artist]

all people are different man...one person can be a literal "master" in judo, but it be totally ineffective for someone else(most people)
it just depends on the skill level u recieved

[Crabpuff]

effective for who? If it does not work for him is it really effective?

[kobra]

If you only trained 1 year in Wing Chun how can you say that you know it enough to give such a scaving attack on its effectiveness? It is you who is naive.

Wing Chun is an effective close range style well suited to self defence situations. But you have to learn it before you can use it.

[Thai Bri]

That's either very profound or just stupid.

I think I can guess which.

[kobra]

I'm not your patron Thai Bri.

[Thai Bri]

kobra - you are patronising and naive. You'd fit in nicely in the class I went to.

As a mater of fact a guy on another board has seen this. He is a WC instructor and has politely mentioned that the are WC clubs (a minority) that avoid my criticisms. He had an air tof truth about him. I'm arranging to go to his club and take a look.

If he measures up, I'll let you all know. Persoanlly I'd be delighted if there were a group within WC that could actually train well and apply it.

[kobra]

To learn Wing Chun you should go to a Wing Chun club and after some time, maybe they will take you as an indoor student of the master.

[m.artist]

then educate us cuz im willing to learn anything and everything i can

[kobra]

It is rather bold of you to give us such a strong opinion about something which you clearly don't understand.