Wing Chun - an overview of its training methods and effectiveness.

[Tom Yum]

Shaolin Chowga (a Vietnamese derivitave of Shaolin)

Is that good enough for you thai?

The name Shaolin Chowga is confusing if you understand the Chinese characters. Saying that its a Vietnamese derivative adds to the confusion.

Its like saying one studies Manchester style boxing, an Irish derivative (forgive me Bri).

Chowga or Zhou Jia literally translates as Chow Family or Zhou Family. Chow and Zhou are the same names, except Chow is cantonese and Zhou is mandarin. Perhaps the Chow family had an ancestor from the shaolin temple.....anyone kung-fu experts know? Boar??

If it were a vietnamese derivative, it would probably sound a bit different; southern chinese dialects are vaguely like vietnamese. Like comparing French and Portugese.

The point is that it could not be a vietnamese derivative if its called chowga. Make sense?

Not trying to rag on you man, just pointing out something that doesn't add up.

[bcbernam777]

No. Jeet June Do does not exist. Neither does Shaolin Chowga or Gin Mo Kune. Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan are plainly the same. And "kickboxing" can mean anything.

Pathetic.

Ok smart arse

Jeet Kune Do (and you must really not be able to think outside the square if you couldn't pick that one)

Shaolin Chowga does exsist because I studied it. I was told it was a Vietnamese derivative of Shaolin, but like many CMA's it was nodoubt introduced into Northern Vietnam, probably from a migrating Han family (which is also what haoppened with Wing Chun)

Gin mo kune also does exsist infact I have noted down the Sifu if you want to be arsed checking

Sayng Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan is the same shows your own ignorance Thai, they both have differnent emphasis, they are from totally different countries and where adapted to the terrain surrounding them.

Thai Kickboxing in Sydney (of course every man and his dog a re teahing Kickboxing now so whether or not it is the purre form I have no Ide [though I suspect not])

Think befoer you speak Thai, it is generally advisable

[BoarSpear]

Shaolin Chowga huh? Who was your Sifu? i think someone may have been teaching you the ancient art of Tak yur dough...it isnt unusual to see a Jow Ga school connected to a WC school....but people dont try to link it to Vietnam's spirit fist styles...


Unless you are somehow a part of a little clique out of Tidewater VA who have some connections in Australia i think youre gettin' shafted...

When Sifu Duncan Leung closed his doors and moved back to teach at a nunnery in Tibet, Sifu Hoy Lee opened his doors in the old the school with Duncans blessings.. At no time did he ever claim his style was from Vietnam...or Shaolin...Duncan would have laughed....what students of Mr Lee claim today is perhaps another story...

[Tom Yum]

Shaolin Chowga does exsist because I studied it. I was told it was a Vietnamese derivative of Shaolin

Lineage is a big thing in CMAs. Is there a website for your system that shows lineage? Again, Chowga means Chow Family in english. Shaolin Monks are sworn into an oath of celibacy. If a shaolin style is called by a family name, there MUST be some connection between the Chow family and the Shaolin temple if your art is Shaolin. There must have been a rebel....

If a key student of Mr. Chow himself immigrated to Vietnam, he would've definitely kept up the lineage so he could pass this information on to the next generation of students. Do you see what I'm saying? Plus the name would have been vietnamized.

Maybe something like chieu gia = chow ga.

but like many CMA's it was nodoubt introduced into Northern Vietnam, probably from a migrating Han family (which is also what haoppened with Wing Chun)

Probably not a Han family. Chow is a cantonese name remember? Since its called Chowga (cantonese), it would be unlikely for him to be Han considering the time frame, plus China's lack of transportation in earlier eras.

Another point: you said it was "nodoubt" introduced....

Are you an foreign born Australian? Doesn't seem like the kind of syntax used by Aussies.....

Again, sorry for the trouble. Sometimes I find details in things that others miss or disregard, but I admit I'm not right all the time.

[BoarSpear]

Lineage is a big thing in CMAs. Is there a website for your system that shows lineage? Again, Chowga means Chow Family in english. Shaolin Monks are sworn into an oath of celibacy. If a shaolin style is called by a family name, there MUST be some connection between the Chow family and the Shaolin temple if your art is Shaolin.

If a key student of Mr. Chow himself immigrated to Vietnam, he would've definitely kept up the lineage so he could pass this information on to the next generation of students. Do you see what I'm saying?



Probably not a Han family. Chow is a cantonese name remember? Since its called Chowga (cantonese), it would be unlikely for him to be Han considering the time frame, plus China's lack of transportation in earlier eras.

Another point: you said it was "nodoubt" introduced....

Are you an foreign born Australian? Doesn't seem like the kind of syntax used by Aussies.....

Again, sorry for the trouble. Sometimes I find details in things that others miss or disregard, but I admit I'm not right all the time.

I know the top people in the system pretty well, There is a guy in Perth who teaches Chow ga...but why he calls it that it beyond me, he is one of the Hoy lee, Dennis Middleton lineage guys.

There were none of the attempts to capitalize on Shaolin lineage and no claims of Vietnamese origins since several students there (myself included) had an interest in Spirit fist and would have never let him alone.

[Tom Yum]

There were none of the attempts to capitalize on Shaolin lineage and no claims of Vietnamese origins since several students there (myself included) had an interest in Spirit fist and would have never let him alone.

Yeah, Chow Ga wouldn't have to capitalize on Shaolin lineage, since its labelled by the Chow family name. Just like Choy Lay Fut; it may have come from a shaolin monk named Lay Fut, but most recognize the name of the founder in the system.

The vietnamese thing is strange to. If it were vietnamized, the instructor wouldn't have hesitated to label it Chieu Gia or something like that. The vietnamese would rather not use chinese words for anything if they don't have to.

PS - I think gia is the vienamese word for family: ga (in Cantonese) and jia (mandarin).

ok, I'm a nerd...

....carry on. Oh, looks like Thai Bri got bored out of his mind by my drizzle...

[BoarSpear]

Hey Bc....lets make it easy here, what is it about Chowga that makes it so unusual? What is the ONE and ONLY factor that could be used to claim it is similiar to spirit fist? If you studied the style its an easy an obvious answer...if you wanna keep the secret from the masses pm me...answer right and you have a friend...weasel out of this and you either didnt learn it OR your teacher didnt know it...no way you dont know what im talking about ....its one of the most unique features of any fighting style.


normally i woudlnt put someone on the spot like this (okay maybe i would) but since yer chuckin out internet challenges...theres mine, get it right you can have my address

[BoarSpear]

Yeah, Chow Ga wouldn't have to capitalize on Shaolin lineage, since its labelled by the Chow family name. Just like Choy Lay Fut; it may have come from a shaolin monk named Lay Fut, but most recognize the name.

The vietnamese thing is strange to. If it were vietnamized, the instructor wouldn't have hesitated to label it Chieu Gia or something like that.

I think gia is the vienamese word for family: ga (in Cantonese) and jia (mandarin).

Hey im just a big ole redneck and its all greek to me...but i happened to be a senior member(closed door) of the dojo that style came to America in 1981....

[Tom Yum]

Hey im just a big ole redneck and its all greek to me...but i happened to be a senior member(closed door) of the dojo that style came to America in 1981....

Sweet. I enjoy getting the hell out of the city whenever I get a chance. You can think more clearly and rednecks shoot straight with you; very little BS.

[BoarSpear]

I went lookin' apparently Jow Ga has went the way of the rest of the CMA's All hype and flash Hoy lee IS claiming Jow Ga to be a Shaolin derivitive That wasnt the story when the school opened...He was simply Mr Lee, he ran an adult only, no flash school just like Duncan. The uniform was a pair of sweats and a Tee shirt...no lion dances or peasant garb...My how times change...money really is the root of evil.

[Tom Yum]

Using the shaolin name to make $$$$...sad. Well, they've got to pay bills I guess.

Perhaps making it Vietnamese makes it sound even more exotic? Who knows.

[BoarSpear]

Using the shaolin name to make $$$$...sad. Well, they've got to pay bills I guess.

Perhaps making it Vietnamese makes it sound even more exotic? Who knows.

There was a fairly heavy Spirit Fist influence in the closed door setting at Duncan's because of an old Cambodian Monk who boarded there, he taught several of Duncans Senior students (myself included)...My guess is what ever ambiance Hoy Lee could absorb he did I know from experience you will go broke teaching the CMA's the way they were intended, better to be broke and honest with your students than rich and dishonest.

[Tom Yum]

I know from experience you will go broke teaching the CMA's the way they were intended, better to be broke and honest with your students than rich and dishonest.

Studios go McDojo to not only survive, but they thrive. 9 year old black belts, students not willing to work on weaknesses, what have you.

There used to be an article in Black Belt Mag that said "Learn how to make over $100,000 per year teaching the martial arts"

I have nothing against a successfull MA teacher who does well, but the article showed a picture of a dude in a Karate gi with a Porsche in the background.

[BoarSpear]

Studios go McDojo to not only survive, but they thrive. 9 year old black belts, students not willing to work on weaknesses, what have you.

There used to be an article in Black Belt Mag that said "Learn how to make over $100,000 per year teaching the martial arts"

I have nothing against a successfull MA teacher who does well, but the article showed a picture of a dude in a Karate gi with a Porsche in the background.

it seeems the secret to making money is teaching kids....teaching kid kung fu( beginner level with "safe" applications) is work i teach because i love what i do...teaching adult kung fu is much more enjoyable and less stressful but it doesnt pay sh*t if youre expecting financial rewards....those with the time to train correctly rarely have the funds to afford lessons enough to get good....

[Thai Bri]

See what an impressive resume the eedjut had? He ain't even here to back up his bullshit any more!