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Hello everbody. Heres a link to our wing chun family.
I look foward to reading posts on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I look foward to reading posts on this forum.
Thanks,
David
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Interesting site. Have you ever seen William Cheung's wc before? His forms seem similar to your wc then Yip Man wc. I've always wondered because Cheung style wc is very different then all other Yip Man wc, yet he was a student of Yip Man. I understand that Cheung learned another form of wc with YM, but why is it so different. I'm not comparing your wc to his, but it seems similar with dai huen sao and side neutral stance. -
Welcome DesertWingChun,
Nice site. In reference to what VT Guy said previously, I too noticed the similarity with your style of Wing Chun and William Cheungs. As a matter of fact, I recently came across another style of Wing Chun that is similar to your style, yet unlike any other I've seen before. This other style traces its lineage differently than the traditional Yip Man lineage, but they too claim its Wing Chun. Its always good to see other lineages of Wing Chun out there. How long have you been in your system? Also, I notice your lineage has poon sao chi sao (double sticking hands) in its system. What other method of sticking hand do you practice? Also, how many empty hand forms are there?
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Seismic Anamoly, where did you find this other wc? Is there a site for it? I would like to check it out. Do you practice under twc?
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"Interesting site. Have you ever seen William Cheung's wc before? His forms seem similar to your wc then Yip Man wc. I've always wondered because Cheung style wc is very different then all other Yip Man wc, yet he was a student of Yip Man. I understand that Cheung learned another form of wc with YM, but why is it so different. I'm not comparing your wc to his, but it seems similar with dai huen sao and side neutral stance." - vt guy
Thanks for stopping by the website! Since this is really my first time posting at length here, all my answers are totally from my understanding so far and in no way are these answers definitive regarding the HFYWC system. With that disclaimer
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Yes, I have seen GM Cheungs TWC before. IMO the SNT/SLT forms aren't that similar. However, some people note the footwork section in the TWC advanced SNT resembles a portion of our first form. But since it's their advanced form I have not seen it so I cannot comment.
It's interesting to note, recently on seperate occasions long time practitioners of TWC visited the HFYWC headquarters in San Francisco. Both systems SNT and I think CK also were played and discussed. The common consensus is behind the form both systems are very different. As an example, in the opening motions of the HFYWCK SNT form very specific concepts are being expressed. To my knowledge, the opening motions of TWC SNT does not express the same.
Oh yea, in HFYWC we don't have a "side neutral" stance. Basically, we use Leung Yi Ma footwork to move side to side. As far as I know, to define a specific "stance" at the SNT level two are trained, basically an open and a closed stance. There's a lot more to it but thats real basic!
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Originally posted by Seismic Anamoly
Hello Seismic Anamoly, thank you for the welcome and visiting our site!
Any information on the system you recently came across you would like to share?? I'm always interested in Wing Chun. What did you see as similar?
I have been in the HFYWC system for three years plus. Previously I had trained Yip Man family WC through the Moy Yat lineage. You?
HFYWC has "double sticking hands". Before that though there are various training meathods for various bridges. We train with and prior to bridging, single and double hand, situations with direct facing and periphial facing, reading bridges with forearm and/or wrist contact... Basically, we have Kiu Sao, Chi Kiu, and Chi Sao. Each catagory is a subject in and of itself but still consistent with the others. Almost like cousins who work side by side but at different times.
In HFYWC we have three empty hand sets SNT/SLT, CK, BJ, weapons and dummie forms.
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VT GUY--I came across this other lineage some time ago when I studied briefly with a school that traced their lineage through this same school. I stopped my wing chun studies with that school after opting to continue with a Yip Man school instead. No offense to that lineage, but I felt the Yip Man lineage was more suited for me and for practical fighting. I'll post the links to website at the end of this message so you can check them out if you'd like.
I dont study TWC. I study under a Yip Man-Yip Ching lineage school here in the chicago area.
Desertwingchun (David)--Thanx for responding! Well I'll post the website links to that site at the end of this post so you and VTGuy can take a peek at your liesure. My experiences, however, with the school of that lineage was that it didnt offer me a practical application of wing chun for self defense. It may have just been the instructor and not the system. But it was enough for me to seek a school I felt offered a realistic wing chun.
The similarity between this schools lineage and your system is very little. Their wing chun's three forms (siu lum tao, chum kiu, and biu jee) are all meshed togehter in one continuous form. In this form, the movements deviate from one side to side at some point. They are not stationary if that makes sense. Sort of how the William Cheung people do their second form. But thats about where the similiarities end. In my humble opinion, I think this hinders their system somewhat.
Currently I train under a Yip Ching lineage of wing chun. And I've discovered a whole world of simplicity and effeciency here.
Also, the other previously mentioned school has a different method of "rolling hands" that I later discovered to be somewhat flawed. The hands are kept as fists and go from (if I'm not mistaken) fook sao position to a straight punch position. Forcing you to collide with your opponents forearms. Exactly what this teaches you, I dont know? But that is one of their methods of rolling hands. Also, their dummy form is usually more extensive (with several subordinate forms). There are several other empty hand forms and the wooden dummy is wider (the arms on the dummy are spread out more). The leg pivots from side to side which I think is interesting since it applies chi gerk techniques when operating the dummy.
Ultimately though, this lineage of wing chun suffers from these fatal flaws (again this is my humble opinion and no disrespect to this school):
1) complexity in the form
2) too much repetition
3) too many empty hand forms
4) slow moving towards application
5) principal is lost in the mechanics
the positive side I would say is that;
1) at some point it comes together
2) optional usage of empty hand weaponry
3) larger arsenal of weapons in the system
4) Nice history
5) It sticks to a close quarter style of fighting
For me, however, I'd say the negatives outweigh the good here.
If you'd like more information on other lineages of Wing Chun you should pick up Rene Richies and Robert Wu's book "The Complete Wing Chun" . Great book on the various different lineages of Wing Chun that exist. My sifu has had the pleasure of going to China to study with Yip Ching and also meeting practioners of other wing chun lineage schools that are not of the Yip Man/Leung Bik line. Many of these schools offer a great approach to using wing chun, while others are more esoteric in their approach. But we're all of the same family nonetheless.
the links to the Kong Hoi Kung Fu style of Wing Chun...
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