KungFu Weaponry compare to Non-KungFu Weapons

[sherwinc]

Comparing Chinese Sword versus Japanese Samurai Sword????
Chinese Sword is better cause it has plenty of techniques.....

Comparing KungFu BroadSwords/Sabers versus Krabi Krabong??????
Chinese Weaponry is better cause it has plenty of techniques.....

Comparing KungFu Staff/LongPole versus Japanese Long Bo??????
Chinese Weaponry is better cause it has more explainable things to master.....

Comparing KungFu Trisectional Staff versus Philippine Arnis??????
Whos the best???????

etc........


Note:
this is a weapons category, which means, one hit - instant defeat if hit just once..... this is no longer empty handed category

Note:
this is a some sort of stupid NEW THREAD for the others but this is a weapons category.......

[Toudiyama[NL]]

How many techniques do you know of others?

You are going back again to doing a lot suppervisial is better than a few thorough

Here is another BS argument, Samurai sword is better otherwise the girl in Kill Bill wouldn't have used it

Now in all seriousness, the katana is a sword that takes much longer to make and that will not break easely, if you would block with a simple tai chi sword, you would probably be left with the handle the rest would be cut
To test them they would either cut prisoners or helmets

[sherwinc]

How many techniques do you know of others?

You are going back again to doing a lot suppervisial is better than a few thorough

Here is another BS argument, Samurai sword is better otherwise the girl in Kill Bill wouldn't have used it

Now in all seriousness, the katana is a sword that takes much longer to make and that will not break easely, if you would block with a simple tai chi sword, you would probably be left with the handle the rest would be cut
To test them they would either cut prisoners or helmets

truely Japanese Made Products is truely awesome.... long lasting

[Toudiyama[NL]]

truely Japanese Made Products is truely awesome.... long lasting

Often took months of work to finish a high grade sword for a high ranked samurai
lower raked would get the more quickly made swords

following a piece about the production

Production methods
Japanese swords and other edged weapons were manufactured by an elaborate method of repeatedly heating, folding and hammering the metal. This practice was originated from use of highly impure metals, stemming from the low temperature yielded in the smelting at that time and place. In order to counter this, and to homogenize the carbon content of the blades (giving some blades characteristic folding patterns), the folding was developed (for comparison see pattern welding), and found to be quite effective, though labour intensive. Contrary to popular belief, this does not result in super-strength of a blade.
The distinctive curvature of the katana is partly due to the differential heat treating it is subjected to. Unlike swords produced in many other locations, Japanese smiths did not harden the entire blade, but only the cutting edge. The hardening process will make the edge part of the blade contract less than the untreated steel when cooling down, something that aids the smith in establishing the curvature of the blade. The combination of hard edge and soft back of a katana and other Japanese blades is what cause them to be resilient and yet retain a good cutting edge.

Though seeming to be an indestructable blade, if the sword is not wielded with proper technique, the edge can be easily warped or rolled from the cutting of nearly any material (soaked reeds for example) resulting in lower effectiveness as a weapon.


Composition
Traditional Japenese Steel is considered to be one of the best for creating swords. The total composition varied from smith to smith and load to load of ore.
One more modern formula (from WWII) Called for:

composition: 0.04% molybdenum
0.05% tungsten
0.02% titanium
1.54% copper
0.11% manganese
0.1% to 3% carbon
a varying amount of silicon
and a few other traces
Iron was the balance (made up the bulk of the steel).


The high percentage of carbon gave the blade strength while the silicon increased the flexibility of the blade as well as its ability to withstand stress. Katanas were designed only to cut flesh, so the composition was not always adequate to effectively break armor.


Technique
The katana is designed for two specific functions, cutting and thrusting. Rather than slashing, chopping or slicing, the sword is made to cut through a target in a straight line. Cuts that do not cut all the way, or follow an arc on their way through the target can easily result in a warped or rolled edge.
There are other reasons for the curvature of the blade. Samurai were primarily cavalry, often charging on horseback into battle. A curved blade is much more effective in a cavalry charge than a straight one. This is the same reasons we see curved sabres given to officers and cavalry units in Europe and America in the 17th and 18th centuries.

While some people believe that katana and wakizashi were all the same, this could not be further from the truth. Tachi and no-dachi were also used (these being longer than katana), and katana themselves varied tremendously. They were often forged with different profiles, different blade thicknesses, and varying amounts of niku. Wakizashi were also not simply 'scaled down' katanas, they were often forged in hira-zukuri or other such forms, which were very rare on katana. Katana were more like eastern equivalent of rapiers, one wouldn't use a katana on an open battlefield (yari, naginata, yumi, and other such implements were preferred) very often, and in battles, they served as a secondary weapon.


Myths
Many myths surround Japanese swords, the most frequent being that the blades are folded an immense number of times, gaining magical properties in the meantime. Note that with each fold made by the maker, every internal layer is also folded, and so the total number of layers in a sword blade is two to the power of the number of folds made. As for magical properties, see above.
It also a myth that Japanese swordmaking techniques were vastly superior to those of the rest of the world. The Bible already mentions a Damast blade (made in Damascus with the distinctive Damast pattern on the steel) that would cut through a silk scarf that was dropped down on the edge. Toledo steel swords from Spain are another example of legendary quality swords from outside Japan.

As for the amount of weapons, Japan has few compared to the rest of Asia, doesn't matter where, most countries have more,

[sherwinc]

Often took months of work to finish a high grade sword for a high ranked samurai
lower raked would get the more quickly made swords

following a piece about the production

Production methods
Japanese swords and other edged weapons were manufactured by an elaborate method of repeatedly heating, folding and hammering the metal. This practice was originated from use of highly impure metals, stemming from the low temperature yielded in the smelting at that time and place. In order to counter this, and to homogenize the carbon content of the blades (giving some blades characteristic folding patterns), the folding was developed (for comparison see pattern welding), and found to be quite effective, though labour intensive. Contrary to popular belief, this does not result in super-strength of a blade.
The distinctive curvature of the katana is partly due to the differential heat treating it is subjected to. Unlike swords produced in many other locations, Japanese smiths did not harden the entire blade, but only the cutting edge. The hardening process will make the edge part of the blade contract less than the untreated steel when cooling down, something that aids the smith in establishing the curvature of the blade. The combination of hard edge and soft back of a katana and other Japanese blades is what cause them to be resilient and yet retain a good cutting edge.

Though seeming to be an indestructable blade, if the sword is not wielded with proper technique, the edge can be easily warped or rolled from the cutting of nearly any material (soaked reeds for example) resulting in lower effectiveness as a weapon.


Composition
Traditional Japenese Steel is considered to be one of the best for creating swords. The total composition varied from smith to smith and load to load of ore.
One more modern formula (from WWII) Called for:

composition: 0.04% molybdenum
0.05% tungsten
0.02% titanium
1.54% copper
0.11% manganese
0.1% to 3% carbon
a varying amount of silicon
and a few other traces
Iron was the balance (made up the bulk of the steel).


The high percentage of carbon gave the blade strength while the silicon increased the flexibility of the blade as well as its ability to withstand stress. Katanas were designed only to cut flesh, so the composition was not always adequate to effectively break armor.


Technique
The katana is designed for two specific functions, cutting and thrusting. Rather than slashing, chopping or slicing, the sword is made to cut through a target in a straight line. Cuts that do not cut all the way, or follow an arc on their way through the target can easily result in a warped or rolled edge.
There are other reasons for the curvature of the blade. Samurai were primarily cavalry, often charging on horseback into battle. A curved blade is much more effective in a cavalry charge than a straight one. This is the same reasons we see curved sabres given to officers and cavalry units in Europe and America in the 17th and 18th centuries.

While some people believe that katana and wakizashi were all the same, this could not be further from the truth. Tachi and no-dachi were also used (these being longer than katana), and katana themselves varied tremendously. They were often forged with different profiles, different blade thicknesses, and varying amounts of niku. Wakizashi were also not simply 'scaled down' katanas, they were often forged in hira-zukuri or other such forms, which were very rare on katana. Katana were more like eastern equivalent of rapiers, one wouldn't use a katana on an open battlefield (yari, naginata, yumi, and other such implements were preferred) very often, and in battles, they served as a secondary weapon.


Myths
Many myths surround Japanese swords, the most frequent being that the blades are folded an immense number of times, gaining magical properties in the meantime. Note that with each fold made by the maker, every internal layer is also folded, and so the total number of layers in a sword blade is two to the power of the number of folds made. As for magical properties, see above.
It also a myth that Japanese swordmaking techniques were vastly superior to those of the rest of the world. The Bible already mentions a Damast blade (made in Damascus with the distinctive Damast pattern on the steel) that would cut through a silk scarf that was dropped down on the edge. Toledo steel swords from Spain are another example of legendary quality swords from outside Japan.

As for the amount of weapons, Japan has few compared to the rest of Asia, doesn't matter where, most countries have more,

i truely believe about that Katana compositions.....

anyway.... Japanese and American Made Products are truely a long-lasting compare to our Philippine-Made Products.....

thus comparing Japanese-made products compare to Chinese-made products..... Japanese is the best!!!!!!


I have a Question:

1. There is one thing i want to ask if Japanese Martial Arts Weapons has also have an added extra features like:

Chinese KungFu Straight Sword has a red tassle attach to the handle of the sword..... its purpose is to balance the sword to make it more easy to handle.... inside the tip of the tassle there is a hidden ball with a small iron ball inside as an added extra features - used as a weapon as well as an illusion....
the blade is very flexible that it will hit you even if you use the corners of the wall to evade to sword swings,

Chinese Broadswords Red Flag - its purpose is to quickly clean your hands due to blood sprays to you hands.... and its added extra features is an illusion to the eye since red is more solid compare to silver color of blade....
the broadswords head is bigger than its body making it more light to swing yet heavy to carry.....
and a hidden lock to make it twin-broadswords as you unexpectedly.....
also the eight rings on the blunt edge of the big broadswords when swing - it making a sound that you dont expect the opposite.....

Chinese Spear has a red horse tail on the tip making it more illusion (an added extra features)

Note:
almost all Chinese Martial Arts weapons has an added extra-features that is illusion to the eye.....

Note:
all i know that Japanese Katana has only one added extra-features like the Katana Scabbard is used as a snorkel under the water......

[Crabpuff]

I have never heard that the tassle or the cloth on the blade was used for anything other than distraction. As for the the spear it is the same but also to stop blood from coming down the spear and makeing it slippery.

As for you saying that the Tai chi sword(i believe it also know as Jian) is better than the katana because of technique, what does that have to do with the weapon itself? Now if you said it had more possiblities than that would completly different. Try and find out about other weapons before you go on your promoting "kung fu is the best" posts.

[sherwinc]

I have never heard that the tassle or the cloth on the blade was used for anything other than distraction. As for the the spear it is the same but also to stop blood from coming down the spear and makeing it slippery.

As for you saying that the Tai chi sword(i believe it also know as Jian) is better than the katana because of technique, what does that have to do with the weapon itself? Now if you said it had more possiblities than that would completly different. Try and find out about other weapons before you go on your promoting "kung fu is the best" posts.

Tai Chi Sword has a very long tassled with a hidden iron ball inserted inside the tassle, while the Northern KungFu Sword has a short tassle.....

Tai Chi Sword "Jian" but we called it "Kiam" or Tai Chiaee Kiam Sut

a very long tassle - and that tassle is also used as a secondary weapon using the lefthand while the righthand swings the sword, the opponent usually surprise about the hardness of the tassle that hit his head, groin, solar plexus, knees and he didnt know that there is a hidden small iron ball inside the tassles.....

that long tassle in a tai chi sword usually grabbed by left hand for an additional of power to attack you.....

and that long tassle - i usually attack my sparring partners legs using my handdle of my sword - my purpose is to wrap the tassle unto my opponents leg and pull the handle of my sword so my opponent lose his balance while simultaenously in an opposite direction is swing my taichi sword (using wrist power) unto the adams apple of my sparring partner.....

[sherwinc]

I have never heard that the tassle or the cloth on the blade was used for anything other than distraction. As for the the spear it is the same but also to stop blood from coming down the spear and makeing it slippery.

More than meets the eye...... expecting the unexpected.......

its your own fault....... your not prepared for that kind/kinds of attack

[sherwinc]

As for you saying that the Tai chi sword(i believe it also know as Jian) is better than the katana because of technique

Very Very True.....

but comparing Katana versus Jian

Katana is a more lasting compare to Jian due to swords construction of materials and how it is made....

Japanese Product is long lasting compare to Chinese Products but when techniques is concern - Jian has an unlimmited techniques..... making it king of the short ranged hand-held martial arts weapons.....

Note:
The only thing that the Twin-Hooked KungFu Swords cant hook is the KungFu Sword "Jian" due to Jian's construction......

example: KungFu Broadswords is easy to hooked by the Twin-Hooked Swords....

[darrianation]

How about comparing Chinese (or Japanese) swords to my sig .45. I only know two techniques with it though:
1) Quick draw
2) Pull trigger

The nice thing is I can keep my distance from the sword, so that I cannot be hit with it. So which is better?

Ahhhhh..... The .45 simplicity at its finest!

[Tom Yum]

How about comparing Chinese (or Japanese) swords to my sig .45. I only know two techniques with it though:
1) Quick draw
2) Pull trigger

The nice thing is I can keep my distance from the sword, so that I cannot be hit with it. So which is better?

Ahhhhh..... The .45 simplicity at its finest!

LOL...let's see... caveman club vs. glock

Simplicity can also work the other way around though. 7 guys with box cutters took down the world trade center

[sherwinc]

How about comparing Chinese (or Japanese) swords to my sig .45. I only know two techniques with it though:
1) Quick draw
2) Pull trigger

The nice thing is I can keep my distance from the sword, so that I cannot be hit with it. So which is better?

Ahhhhh..... The .45 simplicity at its finest!

HAW HAW HAW

i oftenly heard that plenty of times.....

especially the best moves of tae kwon do is their 45 - 45 kick

then we replied....

our best kungfu moves too is the mac10 mac10

then which of the two weapons is the best???????????? i think mac10 of kungfu wins rather than .45 of tae kwon do.....

Note:
you'll fight me, i will fight you using kungfu
no, i will use my .45 pistol,
ok, so i will use my AK 47 to defeat your .45 pistol
your AK 47 is useless against my bazzoka
no!!!! i have my heavy tank in my home, i prepare it for you

HAW HAW HAW HAW

[sherwinc]

LOL...let's see... caveman club vs. glock

LOL...let's see... your Non-KungFu Fist vs. caveman club

[m.artist]

Very Very True.....

but comparing Katana versus Jian

Katana is a more lasting compare to Jian due to swords construction of materials and how it is made....

Japanese Product is long lasting compare to Chinese Products but when techniques is concern - Jian has an unlimmited techniques..... making it king of the short ranged hand-held martial arts weapons.....

Note:
The only thing that the Twin-Hooked KungFu Swords cant hook is the KungFu Sword "Jian" due to Jian's construction......

example: KungFu Broadswords is easy to hooked by the Twin-Hooked Swords....

just because it has more techniques doesn't make it a more formidable weapon. a sword that is straight and to the point will do just fine. And besides, most samurai sword techniques where one hit, one kill. there was no need to learn a vast amount of attacks. sure they learned more then one attack, and had a great amount of knowledge, but having many techniques over just a few good ones doesn't mean that the one with more is better.

[Thai Bri]

I am wetting myself with laughter.............