Need some advice

[Yuan]

Just like to say hello all. im new here as you all might have guessed.
Anyway i just need some advice on whether its the right thing to learn
Wing chun and aikido at the same time (i started both at about the same time) and i also wanna ask for suggestions on what would be a good ground game art to go along with wing chun (not planning on learning a 3rd yet but just getting suggestions)
anyway , ill be grateful for any useful input u guys might have to offer

edit: o ya i forgot to add that i dont know whether aikido has any effective grappling attacks (could anybody enlighten me on this pls) although im pretty sure wing chun doesnt have any that would be able to get me out of a sticky situation.

[holyman]

You must ask yourself what do u want to achieve in this life ?

Do u want to become a better person spiritually ? do u want to learn to defend yourself ? Do u want to become a true warrior what are you aims in life brother ?

[Yuan]

hooo...kay umm i just wanna be able to kick ass in at any stage of the fight be it ground fighting or ranged.im just going for function

[krys]

Filipino martial and some silat systems arts mix well with Wing Chun.... if you want to be able to survive on the streets you need weapon knowledge and those arts are very good for that ...

You may also consider SYSTEMA-ROSS, it looks like chinese internal mas but with western teaching methodology, you can get all the benefits of aikido but with very heavy strikes added in a short time.....there is also realistic weapon training in those two arts (not as good as in fmas but still nice)...

[IPON]

i forgot to add that i dont know whether aikido has any effective grappling attacks

I am somewhat confused by this statement as you study Aikido you should ask your sensei. I would say the is a difference between grappling and groundfighting. It is really an issue of philosophy, Akido will teach falls and limited throws but not alot of actual ground fighting as in Judo or BJJ. If you are looking for a ground fighting style BJJ, Judo, Sambo etc are all good styles. BJJ and Judo being teh most available in most areas. For pure groundfighting you may want look at the BJJ dojos

[holyman]

U must also learn to become a better person to help those in need and not just be fight with your fists. Violence is never the answer to a problem but horrible to say sometimes it might be the only option..

Learn to transcend to that higher level and become a God..

[Yuan]

im not training to become some kind of wing chun bjj man super hero or anything ok? just to be able to defend myself in most situations be it ground fighting or ranged. and yea ofcourse ill walk away from a confrontation if i can but if he leaves me no choice i wanna be prepared.

o ya to Ipon , sry about confusin u there, i know more about the topic of fighting distances now than when i first typed the msg. what i meant was ground fighting

[Seismic Anamoly]

Yuan,

I would say that a Aikido/Wing Chun combination could hurt you. Since in Wing Chun you typically only exert force on a strike to an opponent, in Aikido alot of people tend to use that muscle power in their joint lock manuevers. That isn't to say everyone does that, but in training with people who have left Aikido & Hapkido for Wing Chun, that was a common occurence we noticed. Aikido is a principle based martial art (like wing chun). They are big on the "redirecting force" aspect. So the two do share similar principles, but go about different ways of doing it. If you like the aspects of joint locking you may look into Chi Na. It's pretty much the predecessor of Aikido only its chinese and I have seen some Wing Chun people use it. Again, I dont entirely agree with this, but different strokes are for different folks.

I agree with Krys's statement that a Filipino fighting art would compliment Wing Chun very well (especially Sayoc Kali). Those two methodologies are so similar that it lead me to wonder if one didnt emerge from the other. Kali is very very much akin to Wing Chun (and quite honestly the answer to some violent questions). I would say try to find a school like this to compliment your Wing Chun.

Now Wing Chun with Jiu Jitsu is a good combination (and a very popular one). Recently Sam Kwok from the UK and the Gracies teamed up together for a seminar to explore both arts relevance to each other and ring fighting. My Sigung (Phil Nearing) helped arranged that since he is both a student of Sam Kwok and the Gracies here in Chicago. When the Gracies were in Chicago they attended a seminar hosted by Nearing for Sam Kwok. They were very impressed with Wing Chun. So much that they even urged their students here in Chicago to take up Wing Chun for their stand up technique. If you look at the root principle of Jiu Jitsu, it also follows the same line of theory Aikido and Wing Chun use: Never meet force against force. Which is why you have guys like the Gracies (who are typically smaller) do well against guys that are bigger then them. The downside with this combination, however, is the risk of using too much muscle to overpower people. Jiujutsu works best when you know how to redirect your opponents weight/force against them. Often time you get guys that get muscle headed about this and just use brute strength. It works, but simplicity works best.

In the end its up to you what you want to exactly achieve. Wing Chun's central diamond is that is uses less. Occams Razor. Simplicity at its finest. The more you add to it, the less effective it becomes. I think this is true to any martial art personally. Anyway, sorry for being long winded there. Hope that helps. Good Luck!



-SA

[jubaji]

You must ask yourself what do u want to achieve in this life ?

Do u want to become a better person spiritually ? do u want to learn to defend yourself ? Do u want to become a true warrior what are you aims in life brother ?

Do you want to listen to pseudo-spiritual bulllshit like this? Do you want to eat a cheese sandwich?

[Yuan]

Yuan,

I would say that a Aikido/Wing Chun combination could hurt you. Since in Wing Chun you typically only exert force on a strike to an opponent, in Aikido alot of people tend to use that muscle power in their joint lock manuevers. That isn't to say everyone does that, but in training with people who have left Aikido & Hapkido for Wing Chun, that was a common occurence we noticed. Aikido is a principle based martial art (like wing chun). They are big on the "redirecting force" aspect. So the two do share similar principles, but go about different ways of doing it. If you like the aspects of joint locking you may look into Chi Na. It's pretty much the predecessor of Aikido only its chinese and I have seen some Wing Chun people use it. Again, I dont entirely agree with this, but different strokes are for different folks.

I agree with Krys's statement that a Filipino fighting art would compliment Wing Chun very well (especially Sayoc Kali). Those two methodologies are so similar that it lead me to wonder if one didnt emerge from the other. Kali is very very much akin to Wing Chun (and quite honestly the answer to some violent questions). I would say try to find a school like this to compliment your Wing Chun.

Now Wing Chun with Jiu Jitsu is a good combination (and a very popular one). Recently Sam Kwok from the UK and the Gracies teamed up together for a seminar to explore both arts relevance to each other and ring fighting. My Sigung (Phil Nearing) helped arranged that since he is both a student of Sam Kwok and the Gracies here in Chicago. When the Gracies were in Chicago they attended a seminar hosted by Nearing for Sam Kwok. They were very impressed with Wing Chun. So much that they even urged their students here in Chicago to take up Wing Chun for their stand up technique. If you look at the root principle of Jiu Jitsu, it also follows the same line of theory Aikido and Wing Chun use: Never meet force against force. Which is why you have guys like the Gracies (who are typically smaller) do well against guys that are bigger then them. The downside with this combination, however, is the risk of using too much muscle to overpower people. Jiujutsu works best when you know how to redirect your opponents weight/force against them. Often time you get guys that get muscle headed about this and just use brute strength. It works, but simplicity works best.

In the end its up to you what you want to exactly achieve. Wing Chun's central diamond is that is uses less. Occams Razor. Simplicity at its finest. The more you add to it, the less effective it becomes. I think this is true to any martial art personally. Anyway, sorry for being long winded there. Hope that helps. Good Luck!



-SA

thanks seismic, that was pretty informative. hearing that the gracies(!!!) used wing chun in their stand up fighting is good news.

[Wing Tsun]

I'm convinced that holyman guy is on a constant high, like he's all chill and that's cool, but he's just out there. I'd rather him say that random shit than start insulting everyone.

[bbbb]

I would concentrate on one- for say 3 years and give it full concentration...rather than end up schitzo>>this would allow you a framework/foundation to work with:
Attack like thunder from the heaven's. Retreat like dust of the earth. (Malcolm Sue Green Belt Philosophy)...Basically give one of 'em a good shake: which one?? It's art we are talking about...so You Choose the Master Strokes and keep on adjusting as to what you consider will work- it's O.K. to choose the wrong one...
For their is no right and wrong ;} !!!?

[bbbb]

Holy man-what is that higher level...simply realisation of the lighter side ..."strive towards the light side and the power of the flow keeps them in harmony"..type stuff!!?

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