Shaloin master in UFC

[IPON]

On the flip side Francois Botha, also a former Heavyweight, has had difficulty against so-so K-1 fighters, but is getting better.

Actually, I think he would have won his first fight, but he hit the guy when he was down.........the got owned by way of thigh strikes in teh rematch, he just gave up.

[CKD]

I am not sure what we are talking about. First it was Kung Fu and then boxing. But anyway for Kung Fu's decency as a standup style, here is an interesting link http://www.htai.com/kungfu/laihung.html Did well in full contact fights in Cambodia and has a book called Combat Shaolin which shows the combat techniques of it. The Monk in charge of the Sanshou association is undefeated in various forms of mt. Also read the link the link I posted before about the Bagua fighter in mt. I have heard of a new form of full contact competetion for kung fu. Simply called Lei Tai fighting. It is pretty similar to sanda but allows more options.

[Thai Bri]

My point is that you shouldn't expect strikers to beat grapplers, it's near impossible.

I don't care if you said Western boxing did jack. You people rave so much about it, and then you say "Shaolin alone didn't cut it". Get a clue pal and quit dodging the topic. Boxers get their shit blown in NHB, even against strikers.

You people? You're making it up as you go along.

Heres a tip. When you want to argue with what someone says, argue with what they say, not what you're pretending they say........

You win this weeks Wanker of the Week Award. You're one of the few that beat sherwinc! Well done!

[AlexJitsu]

You people? You're making it up as you go along.

Heres a tip. When you want to argue with what someone says, argue with what they say, not what you're pretending they say........

You win this weeks Wanker of the Week Award. You're one of the few that beat sherwinc! Well done!

I don't know what you're saying. But anyway, Jason Delucia is an excellent example of a Kung Fu fighter. He even knew some grappling from Chi Na, and submitted a long slew of opponents with it. Yes, Chi Na COULD defeat BJJ, but only in a street fight, as Chi Na's techniques are limited in a ring, unlike BJJ.

[HtTKar]

An old shoalin saying goes something like "The best way to not get hit, is to not be there." This would be moving out of the way of a punch, Or simply not putting themselves in that kind of situation.

A true shoalin Monk would prefer to not put themselves in this kind of situation, and would not enter the UFC or any similar tournament. If a monk found themselves in a fight against a real warrior, they would be crushed, unless they could manage to escape. But this is just my opinion.

[Broadsword2004]

Hmmm, well, Shaolin monks have been around for a long time I believe, and I think real Shaolin martial arts does work, as fighting is fighting. But nowadays there are lots of fake temples and such and the monks these days do wushu a lot to attract tourists, as said above.

In my opinion, hitting is hitting. You study boxing, striking, grappling, and kicking, and you should be pretty elite as a fighter if you are good. A good fighter knows how to adapt and such.

Also remember Shaolin martial arts HAVE been around for a long time. Remember the boxer rebellion was before formal "wushu" training actually started. Now the Chinese got their butts handed to them in that rebellion, but that was because the British and Japanese that fought them utilized that weapon called a gun. So I mean my point is they have to have trained in some kind of martial art, and I seriously doubt they would have been training competition wushu. They just thought that since they have those "iron body" arts that those would also make them bullet-proof.

A real Shaolin monk I believe would fair well in the UFC; a typical "tourist-attraction" monk might get their butt handed to them.

[Thai Bri]

I don't know what you're saying. But anyway, Jason Delucia is an excellent example of a Kung Fu fighter. He even knew some grappling from Chi Na, and submitted a long slew of opponents with it. Yes, Chi Na COULD defeat BJJ, but only in a street fight, as Chi Na's techniques are limited in a ring, unlike BJJ.

Do let us know which Chi Na exponent took on which BJJ guy.

You're making this up as you go along.

[Mr. Gordo]

I don't know what you're saying. But anyway, Jason Delucia is an excellent example of a Kung Fu fighter. He even knew some grappling from Chi Na, and submitted a long slew of opponents with it. Yes, Chi Na COULD defeat BJJ, but only in a street fight, as Chi Na's techniques are limited in a ring, unlike BJJ.

Uh, Jason DeLucia has a background in kung fu, but his ability to compete in NHB is because he has a background in wrestling. Jason DeLucia also states that he represents the art of "Aikido" in his NHB fights. Strange, sure doesn't look like it.

[Thai Bri]

Alex - why don't you try to find the truth by looking at the evidence? Instead of taking sides first and then employing wilfull blindness.

Just a thought.

[sherwinc]

I don't know what you're saying. But anyway, Jason Delucia is an excellent example of a Kung Fu fighter. He even knew some grappling from Chi Na, and submitted a long slew of opponents with it. Yes, Chi Na COULD defeat BJJ, but only in a street fight, as Chi Na's techniques are limited in a ring, unlike BJJ.

i am convinced with that..... why?????

cause for me, in my own opinion....... ChinNa will really defeat Southern Eagle Claw KungFu Style.......

why?????

cause ChinNa is subdivided into 5 categories...... Misplacing the bone, Tearing Muscle & Tendon, Poison Hands Cavity Pressing, Sealing the Vein, Sealing the Breath.........

[CKD]

Uh, Jason DeLucia has a background in kung fu, but his ability to compete in NHB is because he has a background in wrestling. Jason DeLucia also states that he represents the art of "Aikido" in his NHB fights. Strange, sure doesn't look like it.

He made up his own art called combat aikido thats why. You can buy an instructional tape from www.panthervideos.com Basically its a combo of Five Animals Kung fu and Pancrase style grappling with some other stuff. All hail Combat Aikido! Someone has to get those tapes and review it.

[Mr. Gordo]

Hehe, you know, I actually would like to see his "combat aikido" DVD set. I imagine it's pretty much Aiki Jiu Jitsu as opposed to Aikido.

[CKD]

Hehe, you know, I actually would like to see his "combat aikido" DVD set. I imagine it's pretty much Aiki Jiu Jitsu as opposed to Aikido.

Here are the links to the videos http://www.panthervideostore.com/cat...98cc77b0520677 They are at the bottom of the 1st page and the top of the second.

[Thai Bri]

Oh yes. Here si another example of a guy who strayed outaside of his Kung Fu in an attempt to become effective.

Oh Alex.... your humble pie is still hot!

[Mr. Gordo]

I've seen this before...it's kung fu tunnelvision. I have a background in Wing Chun, Ba Gua, and Hsing-I, but man, there is no groundfighting. The little there is, doesn't even compare to BJJ. The kung fu nutriders need to chill out and look at other styles more objectively, instead of saying "well, you didn't study the "real" kung fu." or "the 'real' chin na is a complete grappling system." I've crosstrained in JKD and BJJ, and they do offer something to complement any martial art.