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Ah yes, San Shou. The art of copying the training methods of the Thai Boxwer but calling it Kung Fu...............
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Hiya
You can call it copying but you know deep inside it's not. San shou can defeat muay thai, can it not??? Just admit it.
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Yes it most certainly can.Comment
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Convinced???????Comment
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Nope..............
Thai boxing has 88 alphabets, whilst San Shou only has 8. That means Thai Boxing beat San Shou at ratio of 22 to 2 Convinced!Comment
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nah it aint fake. Not all of it. Admittedly much of what you see in the west IS fake, and there is very very little authentic Kung Fu around now. But Authentic kung fu is anything but fake.
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Although these are by no means full speed unrehersed combat applications (they are taken from an instructional VCD.) The bruising i had on my tendons, from that one little shot, can attest to the fact that it isnt fake.
I am working on getting some totally unrehearsed attacks on film.
I have attacked my instructor a few times with real intent to harm him. I have never succeeded and all he has trained in is Traditional Internal Martial arts. He has worked in rough rough bars, been on the recieveing end of alot of street violence in Thailand, China and around the world and all he has had to protect his life has been traditional martial arts - and he is still here without injury.
I have been beaten and bruised ALOT, and he is just playing - this much is obvious. This is also the reason i train with him.
Regards
ChrisComment
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No one comes closer than Chris of convincing me of the possible potential of internal arts.Comment
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That guy in the videos has trained for yeas. That's the paint of internal art. I am trained in TCMA. Yet, I must say that Sanshou has no soul. Sorry, just a personal opinion.Comment
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It doesn't matter what you call it the bottom line is san shou beat muay thai.Originally posted by Thai Bri
Rematch with elbows & knees this time:Part of the reason that Muaythai suffered this loss is over-confidence on the Thai team. They did not closely study the way their Sanda opponents fought, & to find their weaknesses. Although they are all seasoned champions, they went to Beijing with the assumption that since Muaythai had beat all other striking arts in the past, including Kungfu, they can beat the Chinese based on experience alone. The Thai side is so confident that they willingly took the handicap of no elbows & knees to the head, believing they can still win Sanda without these 2 important weapons. And they have been proven wrong. In the press conference after the challenge the Thai officials complained that the Chinese referees stopped the match whenever the Thai fighters clinched their Chinese opponents to use knees strikes. But what is the point of complaining when they've already agreed to these critical restrictions in the first place? The Chinese, on the other hand, carefully studied their opponents, finding ways to evade Muaythai's strengths & attacking its weaknesses. Besides improving their conditioning, all the Chinese coaching brains spend much time drilling the Sanda fighters in the methods which they believe will work against Muaythai. All the 4 Chinese victories were won by points gained from throws. With the extra edge of not needing to worry about elbows/knees, the Chinese war plan have more or less succeeded. This is evidence to show you how effectively the Chinese can apply strategies from the Art of War, something which I think deserves credit. In comparison, the Thai people are much more simple & straightfoward, thus losing out in this war of brains + brawn. As individual fighters, they are tougher than the Chinese. In fact, they dominated all of the bouts with superior striking skills. Yet somehow the Chinese still managed to out-smart the Thais as a team. So this is where the Thai side must calmly reflect upon if they wish to regain their position as the ultimate ring sport. The next challenge will be scheduled on the 23rd of September at the new Guangzhou Sports Stadium in Canton, & in this challenge the Thais will no longer have any handicaps - they will be free to use all Muaythai elbow/knees. The Chinese have sent out many formidable champion fighters from the King of Sanda tournament inclding last year's King, Liu Hailong, who will fight in the 75kg category match. If the Chinese are still able to defeat the Thais on the 23rd, then we can safely acknowledge the supremacy of Sanda, anointing it as the new leader of ring sports. Avenging the shame that Muaythai has put on Kungfu in the past decades, the Chinese have for now proven that they could bridge the big gap of standard that used to exist between the 2 striking arts, although not convincingly. Still, being able to achieve this result with just 3 years of modification is worthy of praise. A step forward for Sanda, & hopefully Chinese Martial Science will be richer for it. So on the 23rd, let us see whether this can be confirmed.
The fifth and final bout was the 75kg category between Sitichok and the Mongolian Baoligao, last year's King of Sanda. The 1st round was quite uneventful, with both fighters testing each other out. But to the shock of everyone watching, in the next round Baoligao knocked out the Thai with a left high round kick!!Comment
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I know this post is a while back, but i feel the need to respond to any myths there might be around. Yes, the moves are highly telegraphed at first, but if you have a good teacher or even some common sense you will start to do more with your training. Our sifu puts in the small amount of extra effort to randomly attack you. Sometimes he will use a practice knife, sometimes he'll come up and try and give you a swift punch to the gut. But the point is you learn to start using the techniques youve learned and even begin to slowly decrease the time it takes for you to react. And no he does not do this slow if you fall to block a punch or kick your get a knock to whereever it was going. After a couple of those you learn fast.Originally posted by Thai Bri
On a side note, we also have every one from the school randomly attack at certain points. You don't know who or when it is going to come, you just know that when it come you'd better block and counter attack the way you've been taught.Comment
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I discussed this with my teacher.That guy in the videos has trained for yeas. That's the paint of internal art. I am trained in TCMA.
He said that 3 months of hard training in real internal systems will give you Excellent fighting ability!
I was shocked -
He then went onto explain that ba gua practitioners in the palace bodyguard services only had a three month period to perfect techniques - then a total of 6 months more as a secondary guard before getting to be a bodyguard.
If you think about it the average person training twice a day for 4 years will have trained in total about 3 months of daily 10 hour day practice.
This is how i relate to this.
I began learning tai chi from a westernised school, they taught application and push hands but it was basically modern Wu Shu. I did not get much out of it in terms of fighting ability as i had trained in a bunch of other more combat oriented arts before. I stuck it out for a year and a half or so. the teacher was a quite good fighter with various arts as his background but his arts were mainly modern - or modern interpretations.
I then met my teacher now (the guy in the clips - Who proceeded to kick my ass!) and i trained for about six months during weekends in a traditional authentic system.
I went back to see my old tai chi teacher who had 15 years of experience under his belt. In the insueing sparring i delbt with him easily on every occasion. He was very very shocked!
It showed the difference between quality tuition with REAL structured authentic internal systems and a modern version of the original.
I have now trained for a few years and actually teach my old teacher!!
Traditional Training taking years is a bit of a myth in my experience - what really matters is CORRECT training and your willingness to TRAIN HARD.
If someone went and trained with Rickson Gracie and trained HARD they would probably progress in the art quicker than if they trained once a week with a local blue belt and only trained once a week!
Cheers
ChrisComment
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Totally agree with you. My Wing Chun teacher trained for years on Leung Ting WT under Mr Kernspecht. Disgusted by the EWTO politics and marketing interests he went to seek instruction under another Wing Chun master based in London. Well, the first thing he had to do was chain-punching a wall bag. He did so for about a hour, his hands were bloody and sore and he didn't have strenght anymore. Yet he had to continue until he was told to stop. Only then was he accepted as a disciple. And he had to start WC training again from the beginning (he was an advanced practicioner-up to the Bil Jee form) as this WC master told him "Your Wing Chun is shit". My teacher would be taught new techniques only if his master saw he learned the previous ones well. That is the old way of teaching. Just daily hard work and will to train. And just as you said, he told us that when he spars with his master he has the impression of being a toy in his hands....despite his being an advanced and experienced fighter.Comment
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two cents
the fighter and his training correctly are more improtant than a style
however the fighter must be trained in the correct principles
two years ago I sparred with a guy who can harness his ki
I asked him to fight hard as he thought necessary
It is NO JOKE.
I hit him with some hard blows, same stuff I stunned some of his students with... he ate them , I did a combo ending in a backhand
he ate the the two jabs, locked my wrist , tapped me with a palm on my upper arm and hit me with a palm in the ribs
my whole arm was numb
the next day I had this huge bruise on my upper arm and my ribs were jacked
I had twinges of pain everytime I breathed...
and I have heard other outside guys that have challenged him
and gotten worse
I would have trained with him but I can't afford his classesComment
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Bullshit. The whole idea of waiting for the attack to come is totally flawed. Action will always beat reaction. And your rose coloured views of your training will not change that.Originally posted by ShaolinkfmanComment
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AWESOME! So, what's the name of this school? You know, I always read the same stories on the net... one instructor goes away from his previous teachers, and he finds out everything he knew was wrong... but now he found the REAL way to train WC....Originally posted by Tee SokComment
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