Wing Chung V.S. Praying Mantis Clip full contact

[HuSanYan]

WHoa this is getting wierd ...now you are cross dressing.

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holy cow , don't let the face crack from smiling dude

[HtTKar]

This clip was horrible, there were so many openings that were not taken into account. It looked more like they were just conditioning. It definitely wasn't full contact. I would have to say that both of these combatants were beginners. Maybe neither of them had ever sparred someone from a style other than their own. They sure didnt show it if they had. They also didnt appear to know each other very well. Maybe this was taped as a visual training aid. Something that the students could look at to see ways to improve.

Also, didn't you think that this was a rather small dojo at about 18' wide? Carpeted floors with weight lifting equipment pushed off to the side, pugil stick in the back and only about 3 other people watching. looks like this might be at the YMCA or some other local gym.

[HuSanYan]

Also, didn't you think that this was a rather small dojo at about 18' wide? Carpeted floors with weight lifting equipment pushed off to the side, pugil stick in the back and only about 3 other people watching. looks like this might be at the YMCA or some other local gym.

this also means that it could have been down at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada

[HtTKar]

I've seen that
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The most entertaining MA on the planet.
This was much better than the clip that was posted.

[bbbb]

you know studio, maybe the clip just showed a couple of bad practitioners of what could be a perfectly good art, especially if a modern SD approach is taken.
Don't pay any attention to my moaning about the clip/style, you might have found a good school, so go for it mate.
6 days per week sounds serious, you should be able to really check it out thoroughly.
I am increasingly aware of how difficult choosing a style of KF really is due to the overwhelming number and variations of them (thousands probably).
I have been told by a friend to go to one of his Choy Li Fut classes with him, I will do this at some stage, I hear it is a good style.

Choy Li Fut is supposedly very powerful- a friend...I don't know him that well...showed me some and it looks good..a bit weird but actually does look powerful...possibly hard to move with-Bruce Lee said fighting is movement...but I think he actually commented on this style and he himself said it wasn't too bad?! I'm an amatuer- but it looked good to me

[budjunky]

Wing Chung ????? I' don't see some WT here !

[guy incognito]

Well that clip was very slopy on both fighters acord. This was not a full contact encounter! What rubish they were just free sparring.(Not very well i might add!)
Almost as bad as the Boztepe? Chueng fight(Except that WAS real.......Real bad.)

[TiamPiu]

It was also interesting to see how they just went on and on with the fight, neither style holds submission techniques. Once they were on the ground the fight was restarted. If either one would know just a few submission techniques and ground work, he could have very easily end the fight.

It was interesting to see this clip though.

TP

[Nemes1s]

yeah, I can agree. if any one of them knew any grappling or ground fighting perhaps they would've easily been sucessfull. though I do think the man in the white shirt had some nice kicks

[DAT]

No strong hand or foot technique. Little distance awareness. When they closed the WC guy allowed himself to get tangled up...coming from a WC background I find that blasphamous! That's where he should have kicked bootay.

[SimonM]

http://users.1st.net/abaddon/kfo/wcvsmantissparring.wmv

enjoy

Well that was one of the saddest slap fights I've ever seen posted. That was not good WC; I can't comment on the mantis, I don't practice the art.

[Tee Sok]

It shows that it is very difficult to apply the techniques you studied when under pressure. Although this was not real sparring, there was some kind of pressure and I could see how they were trying to do the moves they trained in, but couldn't. I study wing chun and on free sparring I couldn't do tan sao or pak sao or anything like that. I even saw my teacher sparring, he's been into wc for more than 20 years and his fights looked dirty and straight forward, but not like wc. What I could see were wc principles: closing the distance, forward pressure, naturally adapting to the opponent's moves. and those worked.

[SimonM]

It shows that it is very difficult to apply the techniques you studied when under pressure.

No, rather it shows the importance of pressure testing techniques while learning them. Otherwise you end up with paper warriors like those two slap happy bastards.

A good example: Shaolin Five Animal Snake Style KF - on the surface the techniques don't look too practical and they won't be practical until you break down the pretty form with it's winding arms and quick, furtive finger strikes into drills. And drill and drill and drill using partners of increasing resistance until you are able to apply the techniques in full-contact sparring.

[DAT]

"It shows that it is very difficult to apply the techniques you studied when under pressure."


TeeSok is correct. This is the bottom line in any TMA that's why when they go into a no holds barred fight they suck. TMA will work when the other person is unaware that you are about to employ your system of choice. When two martial artist of different styles square off there is little resemblence to what they learned in their respective schools.

This is why MMA and ring sport training has exploded...it's easy to learn, if you want you can compete, it works out in the street, you don't have to drill useless forms and you take from it what you want because part of the training is "real" fighting not 3/4 speed make believe. After years of training WC under some pretty good instructors I don't believe in it anymore as a complete system. I think a majority of WC students nowadays would get their arse kicked real bad. (which is a whole other thread) I would still employ some concepts and techniques from WC but I would have to supplment from other systems I've been exposed to over the years.

I know fighting is not the only reason people take MA! But we are talking fighting here and now. I still take TMA today because I enjoy it, I'm too old and my testosterone level is way down. Despite my long list of TMA training when it comes down to confrontation, there are only a few simple techniques and strikes that I would rely on. The ole KISS philosophy. Keep it simple stupid.

[SimonM]

If you don't like the TCMA Dat perhaps you should go and roll with the BJJ boys.

Seriously don't attack the style because the instructors in your area are incompetent and the students in your school don't put in the hours; WC is still a good style for RBSD when it is done by a competent fighter. The people in that video didn't look to competent.