The least combat effective martial art

[Oraenor]

Which martial arts do you think are the least effective in real combat(apart from crappy teachers)?
my top 2 contenders are:
1.Wu Shu
2. Capoeria

[koto_ryu]

I already disagree with the capoeira. When capoeira gangs were running amok in Brazil and they had to call in the military because these guys with the fancy footwork and razor blades were slashing each other to pieces and nobody could do a thing to stop them. A friend of mine is a very skilled capoeristra (Angola style) and I have seen him in half a dozen confrontations where he has kicked some ass. Does that mean capoeira itself is the best? No, it just means it's the best for him and he uses it in the best way he can. It's confusing and distracting to his opponents, and with a meia lua de compasso (the kick where they spin, put their hands on the ground and the other leg comes out in a sweeping kick) that I saw him land on a bouncer (Yeah, he was fighting bouncers. Long story...consequently that was the only move he needed to drop this fellow), I'd hate to be on the recieving end of it. Any martial art can be effective as long as you train in it long enough and with enough sense of purpose. There's occurences of tai chi practitioners kicking some ass out there.

My personal beliefs as to which are the least combat effective? Any of the so-called "reality self-defense" experts you see advertising with three pages in Black Belt or Inside Kung Fu who claim their select techniques will make you unstoppable in the streets and how they have all trained the SEALs, Green Berets, Marines, and all the SWAT/SRT teams in the U.S.

[Oraenor]

That "superduper self defence in one hour" is agreeable. In Oz I have never seen a proper capoeria practitioner make use of it and a friend of mine does it but got robbed so I do question it's effectiveness. Thanks for your new insight in capoeria.

[koto_ryu]

It's fallen down the same path as TKD in some respect, it once was a combat-effective art but now it's more for flashy kicks and cool stunts but if you train with it the proper way you can definitely throw some hurt on.

[Oraenor]

It's fallen down the same path as TKD in some respect, it once was a combat-effective art but now it's more for flashy kicks and cool stunts but if you train with it the proper way you can definitely throw some hurt on.

Not to mention all those JKD Bruce Lee actors out there doing the karate kid crane stance- man I hate those people!

[AlexJitsu]

It's confusing and distracting to his opponents, and with a meia lua de compasso (the kick where they spin, put their hands on the ground and the other leg comes out in a sweeping kick) that I saw him land on a bouncer (Yeah, he was fighting bouncers. Long story...consequently that was the only move he needed to drop this fellow), I'd hate to be on the recieving end of it.

So THAT'S why Thai Bri hates TMAs!

[HtTKar]

First. Please excuse my naivity.

You hit on an interesting point.

When capoeira gangs were running amok in Brazil and they had to call in the military because these guys with the fancy footwork and razor blades were slashing each other to pieces and nobody could do a thing to stop them.

These guys were dangerous, not because of their fighting style, but because they were a gang. Gangs use violence to get their way. This is people that already are dangerous learning how to fight. Wouldn't these gang members be dangerous no matter what they were doing with their spare time?

I'm under the impression that capoeira was created as martial arts in the area were no longer allowed. They in effect disguised their martial art as a dance to "get away" with being able to practice in public.

My question is this...what were they training in prior to this time?

[bartjam]

Some karate and shaolin kung fu I saw was arguably the worst fucking useless shit for combat. Mostly because its teachers were dumbass.

[Shaolinkfman]

That because a lots of people who are serious martial artists don't stay in shaolin long. When you first start Shaolin (at least what i do) its a lot of fancy wushu and its to try and get your intrest. But serious martial artists dont like wushu therefore they quit it fast. You don't learn the good stuff unless you stay in it for at least 2 years.

[Oraenor]

The Shaolin of today is all wushu thanks to the chinese communists. Proper shaolin kung fu is all but gone. Your best option to find any is in USA or any china neighboring countries.

[HuSanYan]

here we go with the """you only learn the good stuff after xx years""
not one of ya could fight your way out of a wet paper bag

[HuSanYan]

Which martial arts do you think are the least effective in real combat(apart from crappy teachers)?
my top 2 contenders are:
1.Wu Shu
2. Capoeria

for a guy who supposedly does CMAs you dont even know that "Wushu" means Martial arts and is in fact the correct term instead of "Kung Fu" which means work. durrrrrrrrr

[Oraenor]

for a guy who supposedly does CMAs you dont even know that "Wushu" means Martial arts and is in fact the correct term instead of "Kung Fu" which means work. durrrrrrrrr

kung fu means hard work correct but wu shu means performing arts.Many westerners and wushu practitioners will argue otherwise because they explain the word separately. The word relates to circus acts as well so prove me wrong!

[Tom Yum]

The word relates to circus acts as well so prove me wrong!

Studiobuddy's donkey show?

[Shaolinkfman]

The Shaolin of today is all wushu thanks to the chinese communists. Proper shaolin kung fu is all but gone. Your best option to find any is in USA or any china neighboring countries.

Dude, I don't know what shaolin youve looked at but its not all gone. It was disquised during the chinese communist period as karate in other countries so as they would not be killed. For the names of the art look at this(HuSanYan was closer Oraenor, sorry).

Several terms for the Chinese martial arts became popular in China. Guoji (National Skill) has been used in the past, as have guoshu (National Art), zhongguoquan (China Fist), quanfa (the Way of the Fist), and quanshu (Fist Art). The term kung fu does not refer specifically to the martial arts. It is more a slang usage found in the United States and in some parts of southern China. Wushu (War Art) is perhaps the more proper term for Chinese martial arts. The term wushu has been officially adopted by the People's Republic of China. The terms wushu and kung fu (in their reference to classical martial arts) are both generic terms encompassing all the different styles, weapons, routines and other aspects of the Chinese martial arts in general.



And you only learn the good stuff after XX years is still true with shaolin. They have tried to protect so much of the art that most people get pissed when they don't get the good stuff at first and quit. Though I'm sure that bag would put up quite a fight. To bad they don't teach it like they would in the old day,making you do stance for six months to perfect them and then you still might not get accepted to train. We people from the USA are stupid, arrogant, and want everything now. We would get nowhere in the dynasties trying to learn martial arts. If there were any reason why shaolin has become weaker it is because of the practitioner, not because of the art.

"If you forget about the traditions of the past, you have no compass for the future."