My sifu got beat up!!!

[Tjang]

What I Learn.

Very interesting discussions. After reading this thread quite carefully, I learn some points, as follows:

First: fear the man who practices one technique a million times, rather than a man who practices a million techniques once. (Originaly said by Bruce Lee)

Second: independent motions performed by Two Hands and Feet, not by the dictates of Head and Eyes can perform unlimited techniques.

Third: power, conditioning, and rigorous training plus a lot of heart is what separates great fighters from shameful ones. And of course RESPECT!

Fourth: someone gets beaten up not because the martial art he is studying is bad. It depends on the person and not the style; why can’t people understand this? If someone spars, trains, and competes hard for 20 years no matter what style, he's going to beat another with 10 years experience.

I like this thread, especially reading all the wisdoms you share. Above all, I like the word "respect".

[jubaji]

If someone spars, trains, and competes hard for 20 years no matter what style, he's going to beat another with 10 years experience.
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Not necessarily. The guy with 20 years experience could be gettin' kinda old.

[Tjang]

Getting old

Hello, jubaji:
You are absolutely right. By the way, I am thinking what a martial artist will think and do when he is old. He cannot win a fight or a competition anymore. He cannot continue teaching (perhaps) for fear of a challanger like in the beginning of the story. Will he just continue training for hobbies then, forgetting the capabilities of combats? Or will he just take pride by saying, "I used to be very good, you know"?

Any martial arts veteran here who would like to share, or do you know any veteran and his mind? Please share, friends.

[Nothingness]

I'll just message you privately.

[Tjang]

Ba qua?

Hello Nothingness: I have tried to reply your private message, and I hope my message can reach you. If not, please send me another one. Thank you.

[Muay Siam]

Not necessarily. The guy with 20 years experience could be gettin' kinda old.

not quite right, i know personally a tai chi master he is in his mid 80's and he could still beat the crap out of younger guys, huge younger guys.
he once demonstrated for a tv program, he had about three guys trying to push him back and he did not budge, he gave one small push and all the guys fell back.
he also demonstrated with a guy who tried to grab the master, the master changed his stance and pushed the guy with one arm, the guy went off the ground about a meter up and three meters away from the master. that was pretty cool.

[jubaji]

Hello, jubaji:
You are absolutely right. By the way, I am thinking what a martial artist will think and do when he is old. He cannot win a fight or a competition anymore. He cannot continue teaching (perhaps) for fear of a challanger like in the beginning of the story. Will he just continue training for hobbies then, forgetting the capabilities of combats? Or will he just take pride by saying, "I used to be very good, you know"?.

Its that last one.

[jubaji]

Let's be reasonable now

not quite right, i know personally a tai chi master he is in his mid 80's and he could still beat the crap out of younger guys, huge younger guys.
he once demonstrated for a tv program, he had about three guys trying to push him back and he did not budge, he gave one small push and all the guys fell back.
he also demonstrated with a guy who tried to grab the master, the master changed his stance and pushed the guy with one arm, the guy went off the ground about a meter up and three meters away from the master. that was pretty cool.

Ummm yeah, you see in those demonstrations people were cooperating and respecting his age. I'm sorry if it shakes your faith but that 80-something dude would in any reasonable probability not do so well in a 'live' situation. Doesn't take anything away from his talent, knowledge, or experience. Just the way life is.

[Tant01]

.... He cannot win a fight or a competition anymore. He cannot continue teaching (perhaps) for fear of a challanger like in the beginning of the story. Will he just continue training for hobbies then, forgetting the capabilities of combats? Or will he just take pride by saying, "I used to be very good, you know"?

Any martial arts veteran here who would like to share, or do you know any veteran and his mind? Please share, friends.

Hello Tjang.

We recall the days of our own training, the tricks we learn along the way and share with those willing to look our experiences in life and the value of honor.

I am not (very) old but still take the occasional "guest" and his attitude down a peg or two. I do not boast or criticize others out of ignorance or to feed my ego. I find that there is still more for me to learn. I like learning. Never really focused on academic stuff before. Hardly had names for the things I was taught.


BUT Tjang! Tell me about yourself please. What is Tjang? Name meaning "River"? Thank you.

[Tjang]

Hai Tant01:

It is very nice to read your posting. "Tjang" is my family name, and people do not take its real meaning because of that fact. "Tjang" means goodness or wellness literally.

What would you like to know about me? Well, I used to practice more rigorously when I was younger and had more time. Southern-style, karate, northern-style, wu shu (for tournament), and a little tai chi quan at the end. All in all, MA has given me more spiritual gain rather than physical one, I think.

What about yourself, Tant01

[Tant01]

Hai Tant01:

..."Tjang" means goodness or wellness literally.

What would you like to know about me? ...
...
...What about yourself, Tant01

Interesting, I see you are from Java! This WWW / Internet thing is just amazing! That we can meet and share ideas and words this way seems magical almost!

I was curious about your martial training and the name seemed familiar to me somehow. Like some names for animal styles of pentjak silat...Tji mande? main-po?
I played the Kodokan Judo to start my training after that I learned to fight in the US Navy.
More recently I was exposed to some Jeet Kune Do and a bit of the Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu.

I shoot, play with and collect custom knives and teach my kids and friends basic SD. My own style is still under developement but includes yawara, flexible weapons, knives and handguns along with basic H2H stuff and most recently, KERAMBITS!!

You know about Kerambits, right Tjang?

Thanks for your time!

All the best, Ray.

[Tom Yum]

I'll just massage you privately.

mmmmmmmm.....private massage.....

[Tom Yum]

Very interesting discussions. After reading this thread quite carefully, I learn some points, as follows:

First: fear the man who practices one technique a million times, rather than a man who practices a million techniques once. (Originaly said by Bruce Lee)".

This is true when you are comparing apples to apples, Tjang. In the fighting arts, a person who is an awesome boxer will be very deadly with his fists, no matter what. Against someone who is a pretty good striker and a pretty good grappler, it could go either way...

Milton Bowen vs. Steve Jennum

If the match had even been kickboxing, I think Bowen would have KOd Jennum within a few minutes. Since it was MMA and grappling is allowed, Bowen got taken down and sub'd.

Fourth: someone gets beaten up not because the martial art he is studying is bad. It depends on the person and not the style; why can’t people understand this? If someone spars, trains, and competes hard for 20 years no matter what style, he's going to beat another with 10 years experience.".

Yeah, there's a lot of truth to this....but there are exceptions...

Ron Van Clief vs. Royce Gracie

Van Clief had 45~ years experience in the martial arts at the time of their match (longer than Gracie had been alive). The man was old, but was in perfect shape.

Gracie tooK Van Clief down. Van Clief moved well on the ground, but Gracie figured him out and got the submission. Total fight time ~ 2 minutes.

[Tjang]

Me in West Java.

Interesting, I see you are from Java! This WWW / Internet thing is just amazing! That we can meet and share ideas and words this way seems magical almost!

I was curious about your martial training and the name seemed familiar to me somehow. Like some names for animal styles of pentjak silat...Tji mande? main-po?
I played the Kodokan Judo to start my training after that I learned to fight in the US Navy.
More recently I was exposed to some Jeet Kune Do and a bit of the Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu.

I shoot, play with and collect custom knives and teach my kids and friends basic SD. My own style is still under developement but includes yawara, flexible weapons, knives and handguns along with basic H2H stuff and most recently, KERAMBITS!!

You know about Kerambits, right Tjang?

Thanks for your time!

All the best, Ray.

Hello, Ray, nice meeting you here: Yes, this site is excellent and can make people meet one another.

It is said that Ci Mande originates from the southern style of Chinese MA, Maen Po is quite like the soft style and uses feeling a lot to press or corner you, I think. But I don't know yet about Kerambits. I will find out. Well, you can tell me (or us) if you don't mind.

[Tjang]

Private message?

mmmmmmmm.....private massage.....

Yes, any impression or image you get when reading us write: private message?