Fighting against someone 2x your size!

[jcmack]

Sometimes making someone mad can benefit you in a fight. However, none of these techniques are meant to end a fight, just buy some time, and hopefully stun the enemy. A big help if you aren't so confident in your skills.

[MatthewAlphonso]

Anything I do that won't take the fight out of him will most likely give me enough time to get the hell out of there. Though this scenario doesn't apply to me much. I'm generally bigger than most of the people I know. hmmm, how would I kick my own ass?

[Garland]

Anything I do that won't take the fight out of him will most likely give me enough time to get the hell out of there. Though this scenario doesn't apply to me much. I'm generally bigger than most of the people I know. hmmm, how would I kick my own ass?

about a month of yoga. kapow! put cho foot right up there like cirque de soile.

[marko_b]

I'm a relatively big guy, and I've learned that no matter how big you are, there are still end-alls that can take you out no matter how big you are.

Groin is not an end all; perhaps a distraction, but not the end blow. Especially if the person is high or even drunk, the pain might not even register.
Dont grapple with ANYONE in a fight unless you can avoid it, because it is likely, even if you dont notice anyone, he may have buddies just waiting for it to go to the ground so they can get in a gang-stomp. It isnt guaranteed, but plan on it anyway.
No matter how big he is, if he cant breathe, he can't fight.
Small fighters are comparitivly faster than big fighters. The lack of mass in their attack is made up for by speed, making the hit just as powerful. ALso if he is under the influence his hand eye coordination and reaction time may be interfered with and slowed; giving you more of an advantage. If your small, be fast. It works out the same. Big mass /slow speed= small mass/fast speed
A bigger fighter is generaly willing to take a few to get his hands on you. If they have ahold of you their power is greater. Use speed and keep out of their grasp. A 110lb/sq" of pressure on muscle is a lot less painful than the same force on bone. SO even though your hits may be of equal power, it may hurt more when you trade rib shots and he hits bone and you hit muscle.
Tawaza(sp?) stomp the foot, whatever to distract, then take him out. Any full blow to the windpipe is going to at least interrupt his breathing, letting you finish it, or totally crush off his air supply rendering him harmless.
There is a great technique that involves using your speed to stike the forehead with a palmheel and the top of the spine(betwen the botom of the skull and the shoulders) with a ridgehand. It will cause him not to be able to exhale air and his heart will slow causing him to pass out. Great force is not nessesary in this strike, just enough to shock the nerve lying underneith.
If danger is imminant, strike first, strike hard. Worry about legalities later.
If they can't see, chances are they cant fight. Breaking their nose with an upward palm strike won't kill them, but it could make their eyes water enough that you can do something more drastic.

I am 6'3" and very broad, and one of my sensei is around 5'6" the other about 5'4"; they are both as fast as greased lightining. I have no doubt that someone with their speed and experiance could drop me in a fight at their descretion. Its not how big you are, its how you utilise what you have.

[Shaolinkfman]

But what if they are big and fast, because of some form of training? This is when you should learn Aikido. or run away

[polecat63]

As a student of Xing Yi I'm taught to place as many of my blows to the center of the chest as I can. The obvious target being the solar plexus or the heart. A well placed blow to the solar plexus will stop just about anyone, even if you miss it will most likely slow your oponent down enough to do some damage. I've been "accidentaly" hit in this area and it almost always causes a break in sparring. A full force blow would definately incapacitate me. It would obviously be more dificult to land this blow on someone with training, but if it's just a big dude trying to bowl you over it would be very effective. IMHO
My shifu teaches us to use a groin shot as a draw, or to elicit a reaction so you can attack. This feint will work on about 98% of the male population, the other 2% are obviously eunuchs.

[DimMak]

Lets say someone of an average size of 5 feet 8 inches, 140 pounds, agile, and with some APPLIABLE martial arts background were to fight a giant sizing 6feet 6inches, 220 pounds, slow, no martial arts background, no techniques, but an ability to slam someone with incredible force. What would be some useful fighting strategies in taking down such a large opponent? But consider the emotional state the smaller person would be during that situation. I've been thinking... taking out his legs first with a quick low kick to the knee, causing it to hyperextend... but considering his size, his arms may be able to reach the smaller persons face before he even lands his full kick.
-JON =D

Good thoughts on taking the knee/leg out, his front leg should always be your focus so to take away his power and strength. With the bigger man's obvious reach advantage, one would use open hands aimed at his eyes and windpipe to hopefully nullify his reach advantage. Opening the hands can usually gain one 3 to 5 inches in reach. With such a size discrepancy unless the smaller man is extremely well versed in grappling bigger men, one would want to stay out of the bigger man's reach. The MA experience and speed advantage of the smaller man should be used to get behind or at least beside (his weak side if possible...to his left in most cases) the bigger man, to limit the weapons he has at his disposal. If you can get behind the bigger man and have experience in applying chokes, this can be very effective as well...and at least if you are behind him he is not a threat. And always redirect your movement based on his own...

[Tom Yum]

Size is a factor in all fights, so if a fella is allmost double your weight you are at a disadvantage unless you have speed, technique and experience on your side. Otherwise you are at a loss and will get a beating.

A bigger untrained fella will probably hit really hard, try to hold you with one hand and hit you with the other. Other than that he will shove you and try to slam you or twist your neck if he gets ahold of you.

My guess is to try to land as many solid crosses or hooks below the ear, at the jaw, on the nose, in the solar plexus, at the liver to slow him down and when that brings him in to grab you try to cut him up with elbows and get that vice like clinch. A chin is a chin and if you keep yours a moving target with your hands up, you're better off.

From the clinch, you can try to knee (but if he's tough, he's gonna get ahold of one of those knees, scoop you and plant you on your shoulder and there goes your arm) and bite or use your body weight + leg push off to get back into striking range.

If he trips you or gets you to the ground, you can try to work from the guard but he will be able to move you due to size difference so when he tries to move you with the extended arms or drops one arm, alot of subs will open up.

Why the heck are you trying to fight giants?

[Tant01]

Tom Yum>>"A bigger untrained fella will probably hit really hard, try to hold you with one hand and hit you with the other. Other than that he will shove you and try to slam you or twist your neck if he gets ahold of you."


Last night there was a fight on TV with a big ol' Bob Sapp Vs. a guy that was 185 pounds lighter than him. Sapp got the win but he had to work for it! I didn't stay up to see if he advanced or dropped out. He was exahusted...

[Tameo]

Size is a factor in all fights, so if a fella is allmost double your weight you are at a disadvantage unless you have speed, technique and experience on your side. Otherwise you are at a loss and will get a beating.

A bigger untrained fella will probably hit really hard, try to hold you with one hand and hit you with the other. Other than that he will shove you and try to slam you or twist your neck if he gets ahold of you.

My guess is to try to land as many solid crosses or hooks below the ear, at the jaw, on the nose, in the solar plexus, at the liver to slow him down and when that brings him in to grab you try to cut him up with elbows and get that vice like clinch. A chin is a chin and if you keep yours a moving target with your hands up, you're better off.

From the clinch, you can try to knee (but if he's tough, he's gonna get ahold of one of those knees, scoop you and plant you on your shoulder and there goes your arm) and bite or use your body weight + leg push off to get back into striking range.

If he trips you or gets you to the ground, you can try to work from the guard but he will be able to move you due to size difference so when he tries to move you with the extended arms or drops one arm, alot of subs will open up.

Why the heck are you trying to fight giants?

Why not just eyegouge or hit vital points and take him out nice and fast withought having top worry about size? If I were fighting a much bigger opponent I wouldnt want the fight to last more than 5 seconds.

[Tom Yum]

Why not just eyegouge or hit vital points and take him out nice and fast withought having top worry about size?.

Yeah I believe I mentioned some vital points; nose, under the ears, solar plexus, liver, but you are right in mentioning more like the eyes, neck, throat, groin and others.

If I were fighting a much bigger opponent I wouldnt want the fight to last more than 5 seconds.

Well Tameo, the biggest fella I've ever sparred (not fighting) was about 245 lbs and he had almost as much training as I. He tucked his chin and kept his hands up and for the most part, I kept getting jarred if I didn't get out of the way in time. When you charge in and land, you have to get the hell out to avoid getting smashed and try to use speed. You can wear a bigger fellow out and slow him down, but all it takes is one hit from him with a little weight behind it and you're knocked across the room. Chances are he also has longer reach too so you have to fight the inside.

If you throw the first strike and land, you may be able to stop the fight before it goes on. I'd guess in a real fight, you aren't wearing gloves and so your strikes hit alot harder, but so do his...

If you've actually fought against a much bigger opponent who was trying to take your head off and put him out in less than 5 seconds, you must be a vey experienced fighter with a lot of wins and inhuman power.

Hoost, who cripples most kickboxers in professional kickboxing, got knocked out by Sapp. Of course Sapp didn't walk very well after that, but he won. Cro-Cop played it defensive and KO'd sap with a left thai kick, left cross combination, but then again Cro-cop is a professional fighter.

[Tom Yum]

Last night there was a fight on TV with a big ol' Bob Sapp Vs. a guy that was 185 pounds lighter than him. Sapp got the win but he had to work for it! I didn't stay up to see if he advanced or dropped out. He was exahusted...

Was it Pride? K-1?

Whomever Sapp fought must have been a professional. Anything less and it would be nighty night.

[Tameo]

Well if the fight has already started and your opponent is skilled and bigger than you, you would have to be faster and have better technique, but surprise is the best element in a street conflict for example; someone is comming up to you in a threatening way and you tell them to back off or whatever... they enter your personal space to try and harm you and then you react with a eye strike or some other strike to some vital point. Usually they wont have their guard up right away at least they never have for me. But of course if it is sparring its totally different because you arent going to seriously injure your training partner.

[Tant01]

The thing is...

Was it Pride? K-1?

Whomever Sapp fought must have been a professional. Anything less and it would be nighty night.

The guy was good and kept hitting Sapp and evading (mostly) I think it was the third and last round (K-1 rules) and Big Bob was winded. He was actually holding his opponent's head with one hand and trying to hit with his "power" hand. Caught the little guy good for a knock down with a big round right hand. (If you think that don't take some power) Finally cornered the guy and after a few more good shots the ref stepped in between them...

Bob looked like he needed some 02 (oxygen)

For a K-1 there was very little kicking in the last round and I think that might have changed the results (if anything could have) Why the little fighter chose to go toe to toe I'll never know???

The thing is, as we know, you never want to "play" your opponent's game. Never box a boxer, etc...

The last thing you want to do is get into the COMFORT ZONE of your attacker. If your training teaches you ANYTHING it should be how to recognize the style, tactics and techniques of your "enemy" or if he has any training at all?

Thinking like the BL wannabe in some kind of 5 second fantasy is pure Bullshido ryu haha on you... (silly/smelly thinking)

A guy twice your size? Give it up. Unless you're gifted or much better trained, you better be armed. Just my opinion. Personally I like to attack the lead leg if he takes a stance. I mean destroy it. There are a number of ways to do that with or without a weapon but if he can't stand up he can't chase you, right? I'll also use Judo on large people if the opportunity presents itself. The bigger they are, the harder they hit the ground too.
It should be obvious that you don't want to be UNDER a guy twice your size... But seriously, don't bank on beating a big guy with eye gouges and groin strikes. IT MIGHT HAPPEN but more likely than not it will fail to do anything but make him retaliate in kind. You need to inflict trauma on STRUCTURAL parts. "Vital" doesn't mean he needs it to see, smell, hear, reproduce. It means he needs it to stay alive. There are other options. Lets try to keep it realistic. What about buying the guy a beer before he gets so angry at you?

[Tom Yum]

Why the little fighter chose to go toe to toe I'll never know???

The thing is, as we know, you never want to "play" your opponent's game. Never box a boxer, etc...

Thinking like the BL wannabe in some kind of 5 second fantasy is pure Bullshido ryu haha on you. (silly/smelly thinking)

A guy twice your size? Give it up. Unless you're gifted or much better trained, you better be armed. Just my opinion. Personally I like to attack the lead leg if he takes a stance. I mean destroy it. There are a number of ways to do that with or without a weapon but if he can't stand up he can't chase you, right? I'll also use Judo on large people if the opportunity presents itself. The bigger they are, the harder they hit the ground too.
It should be obvious that you don't want to be UNDER a guy twice your size... But seriously, don't bank on beating a big guy with eye gouges and groin strikes. IT MIGHT HAPPEN but more likely than not it will fail to do anything but make him retaliate in kind. You need to inflict trauma on STRUCTURAL parts. "Vital" doesn't mean he needs it to see, smell, hear, reproduce. It means he needs it to stay alive. There are other options. Lets try to keep it realistic. What about buying the guy a beer before he gets so angry at you?

I agree on the eye gouge thing/end fight in 5 sec thing, I don't think that will hold but it might work...it sounds more of fantasy island to me....da plane....da plane...lol

Training with bigger fighters is a good excercise though for learning how to close, land and get out.

The fella who boxed Sapp probably knew that his chin was so-so for a superheavyweight and wanted to expose it. A chin is a chin.

The thing you say about bigger hitting the ground harder is true. There was a stout fella who coached club and collegiate wrestling who was invited to share some mat time with a pankration guy.

Wrestling coach - 170 lbs
Pankration guy - Huge

To make a long story short, the wrestling coach shoots in for a double and pankration guy sprawls hard, wrestling coach does a switch change in to a single and impails pankration guy on the mat...at this point our faces does one of these

They start over again from standing. Pankration guy tries to unsucessfully sweep wrestling coach. Wrestling coach just kind of goes with it but allways ends back on his feet and they get arm and collar lock up. Wrestling coach gets a textbook duck under, works for his back and seizes Pankration guys hips and we get a text book demonstration of a souplet with a loud BANG on the mat.

Pankration guys was a little shook up, but ok and they ended up working on different stuff. Anyhow in wrestling and I guess judo, its not uncommon to see smaller fellas moving bigger ones.