had my first wing chun class today

[Tom Yum]

Yes, I agree. It is essencial for any MAist to sparr against different kinds of fighters. Some argue that wing chun practicioners are only good against people of their own style, but if thats so, couldn't i say muay thais only effective against people of their own? Every practicioner must sparr with other fighters because there will never be anyone who fights the same.
-JON

Nope. Muay thai stylists have allways competed against other stand up fighters.

In the 70's 6 kungfu masters were invited to Thailand to showcase their arts and square off against some professional thaiboxers. all 6 kungfu guys lost by KO. Thaiboxers were there when the first UFCs took place it did ok for themselves except when they went against grapplers.

Looking at Today's K-1 organization, muaythai fighters have done really well for themselves. They have fought against other muay thai fighters, boxers, kyokushin karate champs and even talented Taekwondo fighters. The majority of the outcomes have been victory, allthough really talented fighters have had excellent wins against them or some extremely strong and huge athletes. The results speak for themselves.

Wingchun has yet to enter this competition. I'm not saying wc is totally useless. Just saying that there's got to be someone good enough to get the art into K-1 and show that it can compete against resisting, spontaneous opponents at the professional level.

I'm not saying just because wc doesn't have any clips its useless. I'm talking about established professional pure wc fighters in either K-1 or even a lesser MMA organization.

[IPON]

Bri, there are many WC people that could humbly defeat you, so I suggest you quiet down with YOUR endless bullshit and mind-boggling ego.

Perhaps, but I have to agree with Thai. WC was designed to be learned ina short time even learning sil lim tau someone should be proficient in a fight Bruce lee could

[martialartist88]

Wingchun has yet to enter this competition. I'm not saying wc is totally useless. Just saying that there's got to be someone good enough to get the art into K-1 and show that it can compete against resisting, spontaneous opponents at the professional level.

I'm not saying just because wc doesn't have any clips its useless. I'm talking about established professional pure wc fighters in either K-1 or even a lesser MMA organization.

Yes Muay Thai is a very effective art and i have much respect for it. But can Wing Chun artists actually apply what they are taught into the ring? Of course they can follow the concept, but being resticted with gloves surely limits the true potential of Wing Chun. Some may think.. ohh there goes the wing chun talk again.... but seriously... its the truth. Wing Chun needs free moveing hands to truly be utilized. When held up in gloves, Wing Chun is no longer Wing Chun, but rather another art--an art similar to kick boxing.

-JON

[Tom Yum]

Yes Muay Thai is a very effective art and i have much respect for it. But can Wing Chun artists actually apply what they are taught into the ring? Of course they can follow the concept, but being resticted with gloves surely limits the true potential of Wing Chun. Some may think.. ohh there goes the wing chun talk again.... but seriously... its the truth. Wing Chun needs free moveing hands to truly be utilized. When held up in gloves, Wing Chun is no longer Wing Chun, but rather another art--an art similar to kick boxing.

-JON

They could use MMA gloves.

These gloves provide finger mobility and greater use of the hand for grappling. You could probably still perform trapping maneuvers with these gloves. You could trap, chop, throw palms, fists, elbows, knees, and kicks to the legs. The only forbidden moves would be the spear fingers and as we know, one move doesn't make an entire art.

[AlexJitsu]

Actually yes...does K1 use boxing gloves or grappling (MMA)gloves?

Boxing gloves are a disadvantage to any style except...well, western boxing.

[martialartist88]

They could use MMA gloves.

These gloves provide finger mobility and greater use of the hand for grappling. You could probably still perform trapping maneuvers with these gloves. You could trap, chop, throw palms, fists, elbows, knees, and kicks to the legs. The only forbidden moves would be the spear fingers and as we know, one move doesn't make an entire art.

oo icic. Yes one move does not make an entire art. And also, anyone can do a finger jab so i woudlnt really consider it a restriction if one is forbided to use it. Oh yes, and about the event which took place in the 70's, under what circumstances did they fight in? Was it in the ring following muay thai rules? or full contact unprotected fight?

-JON

[Nemes1s]

If a martial art such as Wing chun doesn't require force, then it should take time to make it effective.

rocket science? I think ya'll over exarrgerating, I believe the science within wing chun is not fighting force with force, guarding our center line, using pressure points. using linear strike motion and redirecting the adversay's energy. (correct me if I'm wrong)


Noone said that Wing chun is the most effective martial art in world, but wing chun like many other martial arts is a great art, depending on what your looking for of corse. Wing chun can work great as of self defense, if anyone would want to enter martial arts for in the ring purposes then I don't think wing chun is the best choice because it's not what it was developed for to begin with.

[Tom Yum]

Oh yes, and about the event which took place in the 70's, under what circumstances did they fight in? Was it in the ring following muay thai rules? or full contact unprotected fight?

You suggest there's a difference between full contact fighting and muay thai rules? Old-school muay thai used to be fighting to the death. It was considered brutal and adopted rounds and western style boxing gloves in the 1920s.

You think thai boxers don't fight full contact and wear lots of protection.

[Thai Bri]

Alex - perhaps you'll be the one who shuts me up. Please don't use WC on me though, I'd be too scared. Honest, I really really would! Haw haw haw!

Martial Artists88? Who said I judged the art by watching clips? I merely said that people who claim it to be effective have no clips of it being so. By the way I devoted 12 hard months to Wing Chun, training for hours every day. I found out for myself just how supposedly effective it is. Or is not.

nemesis - no one said Wing Chun is the most effective art in the world? Not true mate. The claim has been made many times.


Come on people, get real. Ask to see the results of this so called effective training, rather than blindly accepting their theoretical "science".

[AlexJitsu]

Alex - perhaps you'll be the one who shuts me up. Please don't use WC on me though, I'd be too scared. Honest, I really really would! Haw haw haw!

Hey stupid, you think you're smart, but I don't even practice Wing Chun. I've fought people that practice Wing Chun.

You really think you're the bomb here, with your disciples HandtoHand and Jubaji. Well guess what? Everyone is laughing at you on bullshido!

[jubaji]

aho

You really think you're the bomb here, with your disciples HandtoHand and Jubaji. Well guess what? Everyone is laughing at you on bullshido!

Who you callin' a disciple, bitch?

[Shaolinkfman]

I'd have to say you.

[jubaji]

I'd have to say you.

oh. I see. well...that clears that up.

[Tom Yum]

WC again

I don't think wc is completely useless.

It just needs to get into the MMA game and show that the entire art is effective, not just thrusting fingers.

[Nemes1s]

well who ever said Wing chun is the most effective MA in the world is obviously an idiot

wing chun isn't useless at all, alot of people say this because of ONE Wing Chun studio, like any martial art before you enter a MA studio you should atleast try to look up information about the instructor