all arts are effective

[wcskgh]

man the same old stuff all over the net. bjj and thai, etc. yes these arts are great for the purpose they serve, but cma and internal arts are just as good at what they do.

its not the art, its the lack of quality in these arts. i have been fortunate to see some awesome practicioners of each style, and believ me, many are very good.

xingyi, bagua, and especially taiji, in this country and china, are pretty far from what the real arts are. there are a few good practicioners of these arts left, but not so many teaching.

why? cause they do take a long time to learn. take dai style xinyi, its only taught in the family, until recent, but its watered down, why? cause in dai, you do standing, and qi gong and dantien developemenyt to have power, for 3 years, before even throwing a punch!people started as kids, etc, then after 3 years of silid explosive power, then the learn the system of footwork for another two years, etc, you get the point, it was the same with bagua, walking a circle for years/

most bagua schools today only walk the circle in high posture, where it is supposed to be high then middle then low, by the time your doin low, you have incredibly fast footwork, and strength in the legs.
wing chun also, how many people really do snt correct, it is said the form took yip man 40 minutes to complete, yet most students do it in 5 min! they miss the boat.

so its much easier to find a quality grappling or boxing coach, and do their arts, and be able to fight in six months.


i did that, but after 10-12 years, i found some good internal stuff also, and im not there yet, but i have witnessed some good stuff.

all arts have their place, and its up to you to be able to use it or not. dont lose faith in your art, maybe its your teacher, or how you practice, etc. just my 2 cents. i love bjj, it helps me alot,

no street thug should get you to the ground if your good at any art. but a btrained grappler will, if you havent trained how to stop them,

BUT I NEVER BEEN ASSSAULTED BY A TRAINED GRAPPLER.

its just my 2 cents.

https://www.regansmartialarts.com

[BoarSpear]

wow nice post...great points...it sounds like you know enough to see past the hype and look at the strengths and weaknesses of each style. Good for you...a good martial artist shouldnt care where a technique came from (which style) he should only be concerned with its effectiveness in combat. does it fit my body type? personallity...if an art uses eye gouges and groin rips, carotiod artery strikes and you arent willing to "go there" find another art. does it fit the threats i am most likely to face? as you noted those of us who train for survival instead of sport have different goals and threats to train for.

[wcskgh]

all arts are good

once you see a real master of a chinese art, you can feel the effectiveness, but i am honest enough to say that most cma guys dont practice realistic enough, so people judge the art. i suggest people to go to seminars, travel, etc, have a comparison of skilled players, in order to judge if you are being taught properly.

i have seen masters of one art, who can fight in all ranges, with one art.

[BoarSpear]

once you see a real master of a chinese art, you can feel the effectiveness, but i am honest enough to say that most cma guys dont practice realistic enough, so people judge the art. i suggest people to go to seminars, travel, etc, have a comparison of skilled players, in order to judge if you are being taught properly.

i have seen masters of one art, who can fight in all ranges, with one art.

Which art was that? Im not flameing you here...seriously what art and which master? I have been pretty lucky to train with some very talented people but i have yet to see anyone solve all the riddles of fighting, much less with one style. most of the arts and teachers i have encountered had wound up relying on several key techniques which they modified to fit each situation. Which in of itself is normal but this seems to be what they teach...what works for the teacher with his skill and experience is very unlikely to work for the student. This leads to a sort of accidental specialization in what works for teacher instead of the actual art. thats how we wound up with useless kung fu once it was watered down to the point the teacher had too few responses that worked in a real fight. it doesnt matter how deadly your hands are if you cant get past a kickers legs, etc... i have trained with some great baqua people yet due to muddy stepping if you know where to look they expose thier knees. hsin yi is great...until you meet a baqua guy. baqua is awesome... until you meet a springy leg practicioner. springy leg rules...til you meet a wrestler...and so on and so on...arts are ideas, they are a theoretical set of responses to a hypothetical situation. its true that the fewer techniques you have the better you will be at them, however its also true that if all you have in your toolbox is a hammer every job starts to look like a nail.

[wcskgh]

i didnt mean one art, like the holy grail that covered everything. i meant that ive met people who mastered one art, and theywere able to handle most situations just fine.

xingyi for one, covers all ranges except grappling, it has its own grappling, but its not like rolling.
bagua also, covers all ranges except grappling

wing chun also,

grappling is cool, and ive trained with some great guys, i cant knock the art, but your statement of this art beats thjis art, is way flawed, no art beats another, its the individual. arts are not limited, unless the teacher doesnt teach correctly, techniques are nothing, you must know the principles of an art, then you can make a trillion techniques, so a teacher should stress the principles, more than a few drills,
take wing chun, if you dont know the kuen kut, you cant know wing chun, then its a limited set of examples like monkey see monkey do, that a teacher showed the student.

reality is that there are Very few real master of gong fu, here, or in china, so the gong fu we see, is weak in many areas, but its not the art.

on the other hand we have many awesome grapplers, and hence instruction by someoene qualified is readily available. its a cultural thing, cma teachers really only pass the art on to people in the family, rarely is it really a commercial way of making money. nowadays it has become just that, by many p[eople who call themselves masters, but are not.
so its hard to find a qualified master.

as far as an arts effectiveness, xingyi is the only chinese art proben in real battle, indonesian and fillipino arts have been proven in wars, etc, they are effective, but not by training one hour three times a week in a commercial school.also for you to understand ima, you must understand chinese medicine, these rta were founded on tcm theory, its a must.

like i stated, i seen boxxers do just fine in streetfight, i have also seen high school wrestlers do very well, but i have rarely seen the need to really know all ranges in the street. i teach all ranges, but in honesty streetfights were either midle, or close, there were no kicking range, i rarely seen two guys square off, except when i was younger, now its like a quick cheapshot, and the fights on.

i dont want to drop teachers names, but there are a few guys which i would say are high level gong fu, that i have experienced, and it took years of going thru phonies, and mediocre guys. real gong fu is hard to find here, and abroad, but if you ever feel the power of these shots, then you say"wow mayvbe theres something to this stuff."

as far as the most all around complete art i ever seen, it was mande muda silat, it has 18 original styles combined from the islands in indonesia, which has now become 24 styles, it has everything you need, weapons, sticks, knives, grappling, striking, bla bla, but again, it is taught in aless deadly d fashion, its trained much harder in indonesia, and if i showed you the knives these guys use, and the claws, etc, you would see why we cant learn like that here, our culture is way different.

people havent seen as much as they think, i remember people thinking thai boxing was a complete art, well it comes from muey chaiya, and also has krabi krabong, it is a complete art in its whole.

i have nothing more special than anyone else, but i did the jkd thing, and all the arts that come with it, i saw some real ima, and i am sold,.
luo dexiu is doing bagua seminars across the country now, check out his bagua, hes one i woukd recommend

my advise, if someone wants to learn to fight, do thai and bjj, if you want to learn to fight at a slower pace, and be real healthy and strong, and have ten years to do it, ima are best.it depends on your goal, whats needed right now. i teach my students my crosstraining system,so they can learn to fight quick, but my personal road is different.

[BoarSpear]

dude we are saying the same thing in two different ways for the most part.
you are preaching to the choir that it is the man not the art. When i speak of the martial arts i generally give respect by assuming we are discussing two equal trained fighters facing each other..as for your statement one art does not overcome another's weaknesses, you are mistaken. that is one of the reasons there were so many styles of Cma in the first place...Look at Sun Luc Tang...when was sent to study baqua after learning hsin yi...cheng ting hau used baqua's footwork to get behind Sun...Hsin yi attacks in straight and diagonal movements... very powerfuly i might add. Baqua uses circular stepping to defeat the powerful straight line attacks! I have used baqua footwork to slap RNCs on people more than a few times..Tibetan lama burning palms have levels called "destroying palms" used to defeat other iron palm systems. martial styles are "doctrines" there is no one way. you can gain insight from different styles because different personalities/body types solve riddles in different ways...one is not necessarily better just different. seeing more of them increases the chances of finding things that fit you. there are too many martial art techniques and not enough people making these tricks thier own. by the very nature of having strenghts arts have weaknesses...if you are familiar with an art and know its weakness you can exploit this with a style that addresses that situation better...If all you know how to do is long range fight and you get "jammed" in a car youre screwed...if all you know how to do is box and you get caught in mud or on ice...youre screwed...or another way to look at this...

i was trained for h2h from childhood groomed for special operations if you will. i trained everyday to KILL and CRIPPLE, i had was taught kill the other guy before he kills you, well about 5 years after i got out of the military i was working as a resident manager of a beach front motel. i heard screams from the 3rd floor i yelled dail 911 and ran upstairs...I had a cold steel tanto in a inside waist band carry, no worries right? well i got there to find two 300lb african american gents mauling each other in one of the rooms with a screaming bloody woman cowering in the corner and a skinny freaked out little girl about 11 years old...so i turned my attention to the fight...only to have the little girl pick up a butcher knife and FREAK on me...as i realized i had never trained for or considered this problem i began to back out the door..fast..she chased me onto the balcony and closed on me swinging wild...i had about 50 chances to kill her or cripple her, but none to get the freakin knife without one of us visiting the hospital. i passed the blade and grabbed the arm a half dozen times she just changed hands and kept on swinging. i finally got the blade and threw it off the balcony...trust me you are never ready for everything (yes i got some minor cuts, but no hospital trip )
since that day i have studied a little harder...and i realized no art prepared me for every situation.

[BoarSpear]

Oh btw i carry a kerambit and i have a firm grasp of silat/kali and kuntao's bladecraft that being said i am still a Tai Chi guy...

[wcskgh]

kerambit is one of the many blades, try the taji.

as faras the arts effectiveness, i once thought as you did, but in my personal experience, again, it was finding a master who truly knew his art, and was trained in a realistic way.

no one art, or no combined arts can train you for every situation, im no badass, not trained to kill, per se, killing is easy, pull a trigger, thats how they do it where i live, and it is scarey, nothing can prepare you. i seen a kid get stabbed and i think killed, in front of me, and no art could have helped him, he never seen a blade comin, i was cut in the back once, and again, never even seen the blade.

i dont want to argue, all im saying is that arts here, are taught halfway, most teachers here, that are supposed masters cause they have videos out, and are in publics eyes, do not know the whole systems.

as far as xingyi, i dont know what xingyi you learned, but xingyi has circle walking, has circular motions, etc,just as bagua has straight line.

xingyi is one art, for sure, that taught here in the usa, is lacking the real internal, and power side of the art.

wing chun is an art, that again, here in the states, is often taught in post contacyt stage, in chi sau range, etc. wc has kicking, and many at that, and has long range, in order to get close. i see many wc men as stiff robotic bodies with fast hands, thats not wing chun.

xingyi has stick forms, knives, etc, most people dont know them, most people spent a few years learning, and claim to be a master.

i spent five years one on one, and i am a pee on, as far as how far i need to go, to just get the basics of xingyi down, and bagua, cmon, how many guys even practice circle walking in low posture?its been so much wu shu ized, its not even funny.

i agree with you on some things, disagreee on others.any good art, can handle most situations, if practiced realistically, the principles of each art, transfer into open hand and weapon, here in america, fillipino arts have monopolized the weapons, jkd has monopo;lized the crosstraining, etc, its alot bigger world,

go to my site, see the media page

https://www.regansmartialarts.com

look at the real stickfight, tribal, they use no helmets, and mostly only a 1 and 2 strike, i have never seen anyone here, spar like that, people die, etc, the dog bros come the closest, but still wear gloves and helmets.there are people training like this all over the world, and their arts have survived live battles with and without blades, etc, china is no exception.

[BoarSpear]

okay, where do i start, it seems you are being bullheaded just for the sake of it.
ALL internal martial arts have opening and closeing movements of the waist, these are used to define the movement as yin or yang, ALL internal martial arts use circular/yin movements to redirect incoming force....thats why they are classified as internal martial arts...they use circular flowing movements powered by internal linkage...blah blah blah...remember when i said respect for intelligence in other ma? so of course hsin yi contains some circular movement...and yes baqua has Kie Men Chang a straight fighting set...you are on here blathering about the great master you dont want to name... ...i looked at your site the only famous name i see, i know as a wushu performer from some time ago and as a wushu coach....i assume this means fighting wushu...not the dancers we know as wushu today....as for only needing one art ....might i ask why the site you refered me to as yours teaches so many arts? and why this quote from your page? ....


"I have learned, and continue to learn each art in it's entire form.I continue to update my training with some of the best Instructors available. I teach beginners my Crosstraining System, and give them a solid foundation, and ability to defend themselves. If students want to pursue a specific style that I offer, they can study that style from start to finish."

thats completly at odds with your earlier post...what up with that?
and i didnt see anything so unusual or spectacular about your kung fu, yeah its better than the average crap that passes for internal martial arts but you aint no Xie Pei Qi....

and its funny how you said you used to believe what i do ....but now you seem to feel youre enlightened.
Thats pretty funny because i was right there where you are now...about 15 years ago....when xie Pei Qi made a believer out of me....about 5 years after that someone else opened my eyes by closing them for about 15-20 seconds (a few times) Duncan Leung....buddy i knew my shit didnt stink then...and along came Paul Vunak....Then it hit me (after they all had) there is no one man or style with all the answers...At least not for me...hey maybe im a problem child and get in more trouble than you but as long as you are happy and feel comftorable with the level of security your art....s provide go right on doing what you do...

the simple fact is before anyone can defend themselves in a pure unassisted internal martial art against any and all threats is about 25 years...
before that time you need to cross pollinate your budding art or you may find the 3 years of standing in one spot holding San Ti shi isnt real effective against the 16 year old with 6 months of bjj.
i have about 40 years in the martial arts 30 in kung fu the First 10 in various judo/jujutsu defendu systems to keep me alive until my internal martial arts were powerful enough to stop an enraged attacker. if you cant see/ admit this you are doing a disservice to the cma's and yourself...

[wcskgh]

dude, it seesm like you just want to argue, sure i teach my crosstraining system, and i believe alot of people need just that, however i have met some masters who did their art, and were raised in it, and can do very well with their art alone. i wasnt taught internal arts as a kid, and didnt do it for a vast amout of time, so i rely on my crosstraining, i am not whwre i would be able to handle everything with one art.

as far as your idea of xingyi, its way different than what i was exposed to, we stand in santi for no longer than 15 minutes, theyears of standing in real xinyi, is not standing perse, but developing dantien power, using the abdominal muscles, and i suspect it is way different to what your idea of xinyi is.



as far as masters who are great in their art, my site has them, each one can hold their own withn their art . i dont like to name names, cause i see students getting their teachers into battle all the time, its silly.

xingyi has circle walking, very similar to bagua, but withn a different step.

like i said, its no secret, there are very few real gong fu masters teaching an un watered down version, so many people need the mma aspect, but ffrom my own experience i can tell you that there are chinese masters, who can hold their own.n can they grapple, who cares, AS I STATED,M i HAVE NEVER BEEN ASSAULTED BY A GRAPPLER.

as far as vunak, hes very good, as are many guys, but real gong fu, is on a different level.

if interested in good internal stuff, check out luo dexui, check out master qian, check out li tailiang, etc.no wushu there, just some real gong fu.

i am no better than anyonbe else, so if you think my gong fu is no good, thats cool, its a hobby for me, but you cant deny my experiences with different teachers. you will not find better internal go9ng fu, than in shanxi, where it waas born. check out song, che or dai xingyi, in order to see what i refer to asn internal, santi is not used to much.

your experience is different than mine, and i respect yours, i have seen greco roman guys mop the floor in the streets, but because they lose in ufc, do they have to crosstrain?i dont think so,

TRUTH IS- after 30 years old, the percentages are very low that guys ever even have a streetfight, so its all martial paranoia, that you need one art, let alone 3-5

all inall, theres no point to the argument, i teach crosstraining, cause i am no master of any art, and for me, at this stage, i need it, but i have seen masters of an single art, that can handle most situatiojns on the street with their art. that was my point.

[wcskgh]

dude, also, i went back and read your post, whats the need to insult someones ideas, or sayin they are doing a disservice, or compare me to xie peqi, i never ever say im better than anyone, i havent insulted you, or your ideas, i just disagree with them, and as far as fights, i had my share, and some of my buds are dead because of this shit, so do i stay away from trouble, yes, im in my later 30,s and this is a hobby, and helps keep me out fo trouble, i can handle myself, but its all relative

your ideas of internal are not what i was taught, its not only about waist power, etc, ive trained with some big name grapplers, etc, i rolled, its all good, i dont think anything i say is hurting anyone, fact is whetehr its bagua, xingyi, or other ima, people dont train realistic enough, not all, but most.and as far as you awakening wuith duncan, i had the same deal with gary lam, gary can use wc to defend himself just fine, he never grappled, or did kali, etc, he dont need it, so that was my point.

maybe you are comparing fighting, to the ufc, i dont know, none of my boxing friends ever needed to grapple in the street either.

as far as your knife situation, amybe thats what made you feel different, i seen a kid killed, and no knife training could have saved him, nor could me avoid the time i was cut.

i still feel all arts are good, its the individual.

[BoarSpear]

dude, it seesm like you just want to argue, sure i teach my crosstraining system, and i believe alot of people need just that, however i have met some masters who did their art, and were raised in it, and can do very well with their art alone. i wasnt taught internal arts as a kid, and didnt do it for a vast amout of time, so i rely on my crosstraining, i am not whwre i would be able to handle everything with one art.

as far as your idea of xingyi, its way different than what i was exposed to, we stand in santi for no longer than 15 minutes, theyears of standing in real xinyi, is not standing perse, but developing dantien power, using the abdominal muscles, and i suspect it is way different to what your idea of xinyi is.

if you have only spent 15 minutes holding san ti shi i KNOW i have different undestanding of hsin yi...hold it a little longer than 15 minutes you might find out it works more than your abs...

as far as masters who are great in their art, my site has them, each one can hold their own withn their art . i dont like to name names, cause i see students getting their teachers into battle all the time, its silly.

xingyi has circle walking, very similar to bagua, but withn a different step.

like i said, its no secret, there are very few real gong fu masters teaching an un watered down version, so many people need the mma aspect, but ffrom my own experience i can tell you that there are chinese masters, who can hold their own.n can they grapple, who cares, AS I STATED,M i HAVE NEVER BEEN ASSAULTED BY A GRAPPLER.

hey, who cares if the older guys could grapple or not? the fact is the world around us is changing...the threats change with the times....like it or not grappelling is here to stay...it will eventually be absorbed into the mainstream and therfore will eventually become a threat to the avg person on the street.

as far as vunak, hes very good, as are many guys, but real gong fu, is on a different level.

how is that? which level is kung fu on ?

if interested in good internal stuff, check out luo dexui, check out master qian, check out li tailiang, etc.no wushu there, just some real gong fu.

i am no better than anyonbe else, so if you think my gong fu is no good, thats cool, its a hobby for me, but you cant deny my experiences with different teachers. you will not find better internal go9ng fu, than in shanxi, where it waas born. check out song, che or dai xingyi, in order to see what i refer to asn internal, santi is not used to much.

well then if its a hobby for you enjoy it , however its a lifestyle for me.
its evident we train for two different types opponents and different threats, thats fine you know what you want out of your art and i know what i want from mine.

your experience is different than mine, and i respect yours, i have seen greco roman guys mop the floor in the streets, but because they lose in ufc, do they have to crosstrain?i dont think so,

TRUTH IS- after 30 years old, the percentages are very low that guys ever even have a streetfight, so its all martial paranoia, that you need one art, let alone 3-5

all inall, theres no point to the argument, i teach crosstraining, cause i am no master of any art, and for me, at this stage, i need it, but i have seen masters of an single art, that can handle most situatiojns on the street with their art. that was my point.

and my original question was name one...i want to meet and learn from him...any man who has mastered fighting at all ranges and can defeat all other styles with one style is obviously the teacher for me..so please if you dont want to announce his name on here pm me......

[wcskgh]

dude,nobody said one art or one teacher could defeat all other arts, or all other styles.

"hey, who cares if the older guys could grapple or not? the fact is the world around us is changing...the threats change with the times....like it or not grappelling is here to stay...it will eventually be absorbed into the mainstream and therfore will eventually become a threat to the avg person on the street."


the threat on the street to me, is gangs, with knives and guns, not some grappler


so i guess we do train for different things, and if my family and i are in a threatening suiituation that is real harmful, a fist wont be my first choice



i simply stated i have met people who could handle anything with their art, not say anything like anybody, anywhere, etc, but like you mentioned duncan leung, im sure duncan can sleep at night, knowing how good he is at wc, and he can handle most people he faced.there is no reason to daydream about thsi beats that, that beats this, etc, as if theres a bunch of mma arts guys terrorizing the streets.

as far as our training, in my neighborhood, a little gangbanger can end someone with a simple flick of the finger, so i guess we are training for 2 different things.

as far as santi, your experience with xingyi, leads you to believ all xingyi are the same, dai style doesnt use santi at all, and is the most internal style of xinyi, che style holds it for only 15 -20, no longer, there are other qi gong sets that have prefernece in these styles.santi is not the focus, dai style focus is on dantien, and squatting monkey is the key, there is no santi. and i know santi doesnt only train the abs, i was referring to squatting monkey.

before commenting on how long i hold santi, maybe you should know the style i train, not all xingyi train the way you think.obviously.


and again, my point was not that theres some superhuman art, or some superhuman master. i said that i have met people who their art has served them in all situations, that they have encountered.

i dont see rickson gracie crosstraing, nor duncan, nor gary, and there are many like this. to think vunak is on the same level of wc, as duncan is proposterous, so vunak crosstrains, and is a deadly dude, but duncan is just fine with just wc.both are very good, but duncans gong fu, is on a different level, and he wouldnt need several arts against most people.

as usual you seem to talk down, so theres no need to continue, but after your 30 - 40 years of trainikng, your still thinkin of throwing down on the street, i think its sad.that wouold make you near 50, or late 40;s i guess, and still fightin on the street?


if someone attacks me on the street, its usually with a weapon, grappling him is not my first choice, im not hangin in bars at 37 years old, looking for trouble, so for the most part, and one on one ego matches are over for me, its more about if someone attacks me for my money, or whatever, i train for that, and grappling aint my first choice.

grappling is great, but ive yet to see it used, when one competant fighter is fighting a street thug, but i have seen it used when 2 martial arts guys want to cpompare the size of their pecker, and go at it, just to p[rove whos tougher.

i love grappling, and i train it, but i think ufc has dominated peoples minds to think they need it in the street.

im still yet to be sarcastic or insulting, yet you need to be that way, so it a matter of me not responding, or just yessing you to death, because you cant accpet that we have two different opinions on the same subject.and mine is just as valid as yours.

[BoarSpear]

i have seen masters of one art, who can fight in all ranges, with one art.

this was the quote that you made that i asked who and what art...you are yet to answer...

i agree that people can shoot, stab, bludgeon, run over, poison you ect.
thats why i train daily...and pay attention...

yes i am an old dude...i dont get in street fights...i intervene in nonsense that interferes with operation of establishments who pay me to do so. i rely on a mixture of things i have absorbed through years of training and playing with non-compliant training partners at work most all of those concepts and idea's i can find in my tai chi... Never once have i had to use ground fighting in many years of fighting.

could i have possibly learned all the things hidden in the internal arts if i never looked around ? Maybe so...but if you are not out to become a living form repository to maintain the unbroken lineage of your masters style, then looking around is a good idea...look at it this way...forms and styles were built on an idea of a percieved threat and a preset defense for it. now if i go to an island culture, they are little people and its hot...so they wear less clothing... good enviroment for knives and kicks. now if we went to siberia and met a master of a local art it WOULD be different...big people, heavy clothing...not such a great kicking and slashing enviroment...see how threats and geography alone could change the effectiveness of an art's percieved threat and response patterns? even the same art put in two different cultures will evolve differently to fit the threats it faces. In other words a martial art is built on an enviroment...take it out of its enviroment and it ceases to function as well...think karate on its back...out of its enviroment. sort of like a fish out of water...

BTW
i work part time as teacher, part time as bouncer and full time as a smartass

[BoarSpear]

dude,nobody said one art or one teacher could defeat all other arts, or all other styles.

"hey, who cares if the older guys could grapple or not? the fact is the world around us is changing...the threats change with the times....like it or not grappelling is here to stay...it will eventually be absorbed into the mainstream and therfore will eventually become a threat to the avg person on the street."


the threat on the street to me, is gangs, with knives and guns, not some grappler


so i guess we do train for different things, and if my family and i are in a threatening suiituation that is real harmful, a fist wont be my first choice



i simply stated i have met people who could handle anything with their art, not say anything like anybody, anywhere, etc, but like you mentioned duncan leung, im sure duncan can sleep at night, knowing how good he is at wc, and he can handle most people he faced.there is no reason to daydream about thsi beats that, that beats this, etc, as if theres a bunch of mma arts guys terrorizing the streets.

okay this is my point You said threat YOU face on the street.
I see my job as a teacher to prepare my students for what THEY may encounter in thier lifetime.
one of the biggest points i have had stressed to me in some of the more effective chinese arts was no thug would ever do the internal necessary work to become dangerous in kung fu...I agree this would be rather unlikely for a number of reasons...however an art that can be learned in 6 months or less gives a rapist an extreme advantage...yeah thats feasable...even likely at some point in the future as the art spreads and society crumbles...so since my students are my friends...i dont teach to make money...i think i will continue analyzing the fights and styles that will filter down to the street before i have a student fall victim to the inevitable .....instead of taking a 9-11 approach..."damn didnt see that coming my bad...yes it was my job to keep you appriased of threats but that one sneaked under the radar, sorry." So i will continue my martial paranoia thank you...

grappling is great, but ive yet to see it used, when one competant fighter is fighting a street thug, but i have seen it used when 2 martial arts guys want to cpompare the size of their pecker, and go at it, just to p[rove whos tougher.

I agree 110%

i love grappling, and i train it, but i think ufc has dominated peoples minds to think they need it in the street.

im still yet to be sarcastic or insulting, yet you need to be that way, so it a matter of me not responding, or just yessing you to death, because you cant accpet that we have two different opinions on the same subject.and mine is just as valid as yours.

no you werent really sarcastic or insulting, just condesending ...telling me to see some real kf...

And since you brought it up if i am in a state of martial paranoia then it sounds like it would be fair for me to say you seem to be in a state of martial bliss...and oh of course your opinion is every bit as important as mine...thats why i wanted to hear it...i find poking people can bring out a little emotion and get some information out in the open...see, no "can superman beat up the ninja turtles" discussion, just martial debate...did you have to think to make that asshole boarspear see the light?