Getting weaker, Or getting stronger?

[BoarSpear]

The nice thing about combining palm conditioning and Taiji/Baqua is you can achieve quite nasty slapping ability The palm strike/slap can be faster than a punch, and can stun or K.O. even the biggest and baddest dudes...several in a flurry can set up lower body controls etc quite nicely.

[Oraenor]

The nice thing about combining palm conditioning and Taiji/Baqua is you can achieve quite nasty slapping ability The palm strike/slap can be faster than a punch, and can stun or K.O. even the biggest and baddest dudes...several in a flurry can set up lower body controls etc quite nicely.

Palms are actually easier to do harder hits since you dont have to worry about another pivotal point (the wrist).The problem with palm is that there is a higher risk in injuring your wrist or fingers or thumb.
The splashing hands technique rings a bell when slaps are used rapidly.
Kung fu palm strikes from what I've read came from the style of monks, aka the REAL shaolin monks, where it derived from the meditation postures.
I once heard of a story where an iron palm practitioner slapped some guy on the head and that guy recieved a neck injury.

[BoarSpear]

I agree, palms are my favorite anatomical weapon. I especially like willow palm. Are you referring to the "Streetfighting" splashing hands system or the counter clockwise + (9 little heaven) System? Do you practice hands of 10,000 bells?

I have no doubt you can smack someone on the head and injure thier neck...

[Oraenor]

I agree, palms are my favorite anatomical weapon. I especially like willow palm. Are you referring to the "Streetfighting" splashing hands system or the counter clockwise + (9 little heaven) System? Do you practice hands of 10,000 bells?

I have no doubt you can smack someone on the head and injure thier neck...

My hands are for loving lol jk

I only tend to use palms so I can use somthing else right after it ( ie. palm pak sau then knife hand straight to the neck etc.)
I have no real idea what splashing hands are except in some kung fu clip where the guy sticks his arm out and oscillates them up and down.
Hands of 10,000 bells?

[gong fu]

when you are experienced enough in ba gua zhang you will realise that the whole body is one palm, zhang dosent just mean palm it means your whole arm if your taking it into gong fu concept its not just palm, by translation it does mean palm, the 8 principles of bagua are directions away from your body, and there are 8 body points vital to bagua knee, foot, waist, hip, back, shoulder, elbow, and hands they must be trained so they are all as your palms are and in tune so to speak. and yeah i favour my palm strikes i would say over any other.

[BoarSpear]

My hands are for loving lol jk

I only tend to use palms so I can use somthing else right after it ( ie. palm pak sau then knife hand straight to the neck etc.)
I have no real idea what splashing hands are except in some kung fu clip where the guy sticks his arm out and oscillates them up and down.
Hands of 10,000 bells?

Ah ,I see. Hands of 10,000 bells is the fancy name for putting out candles with strikes. its a funny name i usually only use when i wanna screw with people As for splashing hands its fairly rare.

[BoarSpear]

the 8 principles of bagua are directions away from your body, and there are 8 body points vital to bagua knee, foot, waist, hip, back, shoulder, elbow, and hands

okay, then what about the fact that the classics state "up, down, left, right, foward and backward are all in your head"?

[gong fu]

hey i was saying what ba gua zhang translated into and things they represent you can refer to the directions as heaven earth water etc if youd like, hey anyway boarspear howcomes i say something and then you critisize it and then i catch you saying the thing im getting at all along for yourself in another thread but its closed,


"This is the mixed martial arts forum asking for opinions on the subject i posted about punk. i really dont care if a college wrestler thinks that 2 professional athletes competing in a sport for money have jack shit to do with surviving non rule orientated street encounters.

I only know of 3 of your precious pro athletes who fought in the street....Tito who got his ass kicked, Lee Murray who is currently in the hospital from multiple stab wounds recieved in the street and Alex Gong, currently dead from his street encounter. HMMM doesnt sound like you guys fair too well without your padded rings, rules and protective gear.

Think about that before you spout anymore sports based knowledge for street fighting, sport fan.

Perhaps the question isnt are combatives too dangerous for the ring (a simple look at the rules clears that up ), perhaps a better question is, "Are ring arts safe and effective in the street?" thier record in the street aint lookin so good...."




hey man i was saying this before, you agree with me about the old ways i know you do just say it man cmmon we both know modern martial artists train weak and there skills in the ring dont mean shit in a real fight,

[BoarSpear]

hey i was saying what ba gua zhang translated into and things they represent you can refer to the directions as heaven earth water etc if youd like,

Be careful of all the crap associated with Baqua...Very little of the written ideas of applying Old 8 Palms to the triagrams have anything to do with martial arts. most of that was written after the people who could fight with it were long dead.

hey anyway boarspear howcomes i say something and then you critisize it and then i catch you saying the thing im getting at all along for yourself in another thread but its closed,

Okay, first of all you didnt catch me at anything. Second you mistake my wanting you to think for critisicm. and last of all...You can often tell the level of someones comprehension of the arts by the things they emphasize about them. Whenever i hear people regurgitate the party line of an art, i realize they have no understanding of the art of thier own to draw on, so they repeat what they have read or been told like robots. people also outgrow certain beliefs after enough time and experience...So when i hear you talk about using maiming attacks in challenges, I know you have an unrealistic view of the martial arts. When a challenge or martial duel if you will is asked for, there is not to be anger or intent to harm. It is instead an opportunity for all parties involved to field test thier skills in a "safe environment." if you train purely for self defense, the ring is not the place for you to test your skills.

Self defense is about doing whatever it takes to survive, when training to survive you dont beat people up. Boxing, wrestling, MTand gjj however specialize in beating people up .. thats what they do, and they beat people up better than anyone else.

Self defense is NOT about beating people up, or using martial arts either, its about surviving. so when fighting for your life you fight differently. you try to blind people, you try to cripple people, you try to maim people, and sometimes you try to kill them. you never get in a punching, wrestling contest! you fight dirty, thats not the martial arts, any untrained person can eye gouge or ball shot you. Yes a trained person can do so more effectively, but is that what you trained for? NOT if you study in a TMA, The only place you get bare bones dirty fighting is combatives training. There is a different mindset when there are no legal issues in a fight. When any aggression is likely to involve weapons you use a different approach to a fight. That approach NEVER belongs in the ring or a challenge match.

so in essence when i hear self defense mentallity being used to defend a TMA from mma people, its an admission that you cant play thier game as well as they can...fine stay outta the ring.

That being said, most TMAs dont teach real stopping power striking or PRACTICE finishing throws or fight stopping attacks. In essence they are so watered down that all they do is beat each other up! and they dont beat each other up for real, they simulate it!! so maybe the ring arts have a point.... See my point? there is no perfect style, or solution. your best bet is learn the ground and boxing when you are young, then get some combatives training....still want more? fine, add in the FMAs get some blade skills. want more? learn firearms (cant own a gun where you live? move) if you still want more then fine, now you know enough about fighting to pick an art that appeals to you. Find a TMA and have fun....

[gong fu]

MAN thats what i was saying and you disagreed, i said you cant compare fighting in the ring to on the street, and i never once said its a good idea to use a maining attack on someone in a ring match, i purely said you cant keep saying people in UFC are good fighters based on what you see of them in the ring, i never once said its a good idea to go and kill someone in the ring, i just said if you fight with rules it dosent show your real fighting ability, cmmon boarspear read what ive actually said in my own words, and dont take them out of context man, im not tryign to argue with you, the opposite infact i just want you to understand where im comming from and you agree with me i know you do. and i didnt mean catch you as in the bad decieving type way lol, i just ment i fidn you speaking the words that i was basically trying to say in my point about modern fighters and the way they train, and how you cant compare ring fighters to real street fighters etc, not that its a good thing to street fight, but it does test your real skills 100%. anyways no bad blood man your like one of the only people on here that i have any respect for you actually know what your talking about, unlike others i can tell, but you can be annoying! lol

[Oraenor]

MAN thats what i was saying and you disagreed, i said you cant compare fighting in the ring to on the street, and i never once said its a good idea to use a maining attack on someone in a ring match, i purely said you cant keep saying people in UFC are good fighters based on what you see of them in the ring, i never once said its a good idea to go and kill someone in the ring, i just said if you fight with rules it dosent show your real fighting ability, cmmon boarspear read what ive actually said in my own words, and dont take them out of context man, im not tryign to argue with you, the opposite infact i just want you to understand where im comming from and you agree with me i know you do. and i didnt mean catch you as in the bad decieving type way lol, i just ment i fidn you speaking the words that i was basically trying to say in my point about modern fighters and the way they train, and how you cant compare ring fighters to real street fighters etc, not that its a good thing to street fight, but it does test your real skills 100%. anyways no bad blood man your like one of the only people on here that i have any respect for you actually know what your talking about, unlike others i can tell, but you can be annoying! lol

Mate you finally got out of that shaolin shit mentality and realised that the ring aint the same as real world. Good onya!

[BoarSpear]

but you can be annoying! lol

Thank you Actually i seem to remember you were seeking no rule fights, or saying you couldnt be held responsible for what might happenin a challenge match. That was my gripe....

[gong fu]

[QUOTE=BoarSpear]Thank you Actually i seem to remember you were seeking no rule fights, or saying you couldnt be held responsible for what might happenin a challenge match. That was my gripe....[/QUOTE


actually i said rules were to be decided by the 2 fighters before the match, and i said no intent to seriously harm BUT injuries might happen if you read the post,


and oraenor, that has been my whole damn point from the start man do you people actually read or assume here, i said from day 1 you cant compare ring fights to a real fight, if you wopuld actually read my posts respectfully and not like im some kind of kid talking shit, then you would realise i said this from day 1 man.

[gong fu]

just wanted to clear some things up, i dont think im better than anyone here when it comes down to fighting, i come off as over confident sometimes i admit im sorry, i just dont like when people say certain things, but we are all students untill the day we pass on, i do agree with most things you guys have said and in future i will say things without the arrogance and cockyness but ile stick to what ive been taught its proved a success for me most of the time.


peace