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[Hardball]

HEHEHE i had actually posted it before ...Its a Taiji form.

Where does that alternative spelling of Tai chi come from?

[BoarSpear]

I believe it to be zhaboa village style Taiji. it seems to incorporate Taiji, Hsin Yi and Baqua elements. Taiji is just an alternate spelling by the translators...We usually refer to it as TAIJI CHUAN just to try to spell it differently than the Tai chi that everyone from Redbook to god knows who teaches old people in parks

[Tom Yum]

There are two systems for romanizing standard mandarin Chinese.

One system is called the pinyin system. You have to learn the system first to understand how to pronounce the romanization. For example the word tai ji is pronounced tie jee (tie as in neck tie). When you learn the system, you can pronounce anything with about 90% accuracy as a native speaker would. If you don't know the system, its impossible to pronounce

The other system is wade-giles. It tries to directly romanize chinese words into something that a western person can allmost pronounce. Wade-giles system would say tay ch'i - which is allmost pronouncable but could be mispronounced a number of ways.

[jubaji]

When you learn the system, you can pronounce anything with about 90% accuracy as a native speaker would.

To a certain extent, yes. But without the addition of the proper use of tone a native speaker might still not recognize what you are saying.



Just picking a nit.

[jubaji]

I believe it to be zhaboa village style Taiji.

Looked like Chen style (though heavy on the fluid) with a few flourishes thrown in.

[Tom Yum]

To a certain extent, yes. But without the addition of the proper use of tone a native speaker might still not recognize what you are saying.Just picking a nit.

You're right. Tone is important too.

For example if you're doing some kind of business in a mandarine speaking part of the world, fang(1) bian(4) is a lot different than fang(4) bian(4)....

[jubaji]

LOL

You're right!

The good news is that waigouren usually get cut a little slack and people appreciate the effort even if they don't know what you're trying to say!

[Tameo]

Isn't that bad for your knees? Isn't that the point of martial arts evolution? To find better, and more healthier training methods. That's were the people in Arts and systems like Krav Magra are on to something. Evolve and change with the world. So many traditional martial artist have bad knees from this type of training; why not evolve and do something less harmful for you in the long run.

I think its good for your knees, if done right of course. Stance training strengthens tendons and muscles around the knees. I havent met a lot of traditional martial artists with bad knees btw and mine are feeling great as well and are getting stronger every week.

[gong fu]

Yes, I have heard about that and it is legendary. But tell me, are these tai chi practioners in Asia, really holding low stances or are they doing flowing, moving meditation in the form of tai chi katas. I may be confused but I don't recall seeing the low stances in tai chi forms that you are describing. Well, just in this months Issue of Inside Kung Fu magazine there is a big article of knee problems. It is called the Wu Shu Knee. It all stems from those unnatural low stances. You have to evolve and adapt. Combat is different now than it was when those stances were developed hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

taiji is about flowing movements and is fluid ever changing from slow and motionless, to extreamly fast and rapid, but the long horse stance holding is mainly a shaolin thing, all traditional chinese martial arts have stance holding and forms, taiji styles do have low stances to hold, taiji is rooted in bagua and bagua has very good low stance holding forms, hugging the tree is one i practice every single day at somepoint, its very good for rooting to the ground for good zhangzhuang power if i have pronounced it right.


here is a link for the fighting side of bagua. (baguazhang,

http://www.chiflow.com/Baguazhang.htm

peace.

[BoarSpear]

here is a link for the fighting side of bagua. (baguazhang,

http://www.chiflow.com/Baguazhang.htm

peace.

thats a good link for baqua theory....i wasnt impressed with the fighting though...Im pretty freakin picky about baqua though The big red flag is Tang ne bu or muddy stepping. I have NEVER seen a baqua guy who used Tang ne bu that could fight. It VERY hard to find but look for footage or pictures of all the old Baqua masters....NONE of them used tang Ne bu...

Try this, stand in the middle let a baqua guy use tang ne bu stepping...notice that he CANNOT keep you from kicking him in the closest knee to you at will ...if you know the step then you know when to time the kick...right in the middle of when they are "pushing the mud"

Several of my senior students studied in china asnd the states with very reputable masters...they all were astounded when i demonstrated the knee attacks.

i dont know why tang ne bu was added but it is not part of the original art nor its folk cousins.

i have researched Taiji and Baqua as deeply as i can and continue to do so...tang ne bu is a turd in the punch bowl...whether you want to blame it on CCMA as opposed to TCMA or whatever, it doesnt belong.

[gong fu]

thats a good link for baqua theory....i wasnt impressed with the fighting though...Im pretty freakin picky about baqua though The big red flag is Tang ne bu or muddy stepping. I have NEVER seen a baqua guy who used Tang ne bu that could fight. It VERY hard to find but look for footage or pictures of all the old Baqua masters....NONE of them used tang Ne bu...

Try this, stand in the middle let a baqua guy use tang ne bu stepping...notice that he CANNOT keep you from kicking him in the closest knee to you at will ...if you know the step then you know when to time the kick...right in the middle of when they are "pushing the mud"

Several of my senior students studied in china asnd the states with very reputable masters...they all were astounded when i demonstrated the knee attacks.



i dont know why tang ne bu was added but it is not part of the original art nor its folk cousins.

i have researched Taiji and Baqua as deeply as i can and continue to do so...tang ne bu is a turd in the punch bowl...whether you want to blame it on CCMA as opposed to TCMA or whatever, it doesnt belong.

i dont realy know much about tang ni bu, but from what ive seen of it it looks like some wierd kind of eagles claw but without the power, with alot of open handed claw type form, its just what i have observed of it i might be completely wrong of its true nature, could you say why its useless though because im always curious why it was invented if its not of any use,


peace.