Power developement in Wing Chun.

[Thai Bri]

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Thanks Thai!

I really miss that guy. He used to make me roar with laughter.

God bless ya sherwinc CONVINCED!

[bbbb]

Chum Jarn=

What are some effective ways to develope power?

1)Sink Elbow's...also

.. 2)Full intention of knocking them out in one punch.

3)Advance through the target.

4)Never train for speed- train for power.

[white devil]

4)Never train for speed- train for power.

how do you train for speed and not power when power=force(x)speed
please explain..

and how does martial artist focus on power and never train for speed?
its like an elephant willing to chase a rabbit...by the way how do u get the fight started if u cant catch ur oponent?

[muaythaiguy15]

I know what he means. If you see some people hit pads, they barely hit them and do it really fast. Other people, pound the pad but slow. Its like doing press ups fast or doing it with a weight on your back.

If you want real power and have technique down PERFECTLY. Then you gotta start training your muscles. Heavybag, weights, body resistant workouts, whatever you want.

I dont know if youre asking for technique help or help just increasing your punching power.

[robertlee]

Work on the pads and heavy bag Helps. You have to learn to punch through the intended target. and snap the punches back. To have speed you have to be relaxed. to have power you need to have some hip in the striking action. Hip action brings body mass into the punch less mass less power. At impact speed drives in the mass behind the punch. Less speed less impact. So speed followed directly by mass brings power. You feel it when you hit the heavy bag. A push punch pushes the bag a good punch drives into the bag driving it backwards You will feel the difference.

[Shard]

Technique>Power>Speed

Work in that order.

Technique:Without the proper technique there is no way you can punch with power. Maybe you get 1 solid punch in but sprain your wrist. Now you can't punch with power anymore for that fight. See the way boxers throw their weight into punches? Thats technique. So technique is very important.No technique = no power= no speed(This is where Shadow boxing and some Forms practise come in)

Power: Once you have technique in, train to punch with power. You might be abit slow at first but slowly build up power. Speed here is not important yet(i'm not talking about the speed of a punch, speed as in the whole of your offensive, not a single punch). Train on pads and heavybags. Work till you have the proper technique and power. There is no use in being able to punch your opponent 100 times, if those 100 times have the combinded strength of a jab.

Speed: Once you have power, Train to fight with power+speed. Strike and withdraw quickly. Don't give your opponent a chance to react to anything that you are giving him. But don't forget power is just as important as speed.
Technique=Power=Speed

[white devil]

i have to disagree with you Shard. That order :Technique>Power>Speed might work for a wrestler but doesnt work effectively for a boxer(or any striker)..Power is the last thing you want to focus on,but why?

Nothing is worst than a punch with no power EXCEPT one who is telegraphed and slow.Obviously u can regconize the right order during an ordinary workout(at least what we do at my gym):

First of all, technique and speed should always be united..There is not one without the other both will later result in power by increasing speed and muscle mass

*first ur asked to do some shadow boxing(=TECHNIQUE+SPEED),
*(then u warm up,stretch,run etc)
*later u work the pads(=TECHNIQUE + SPEED) ----*>NOTE***
*..and finally u jump to the heavybags.(=TECHNIQUE+SPEED+POWER COMBINED)

***NOTE:u dont have to hit the focus mitts with power..focus mitts are for speed and technique practice (u keep relaxed)no need to break ur partner's hand

Quote :''There is no use in being able to punch your opponent 100 times( i assume ur talking about a lead jab), if those 100 times have the combinded strength of a jab.''
-I have to disagree with that,the boxing jab is used as a ''tester''..its better if u punch 100 times in the air (even if theyre ''weak'')and keep ur oponent away and guessing..Actually we are not talking about a straight here but a lead jab..it doesnt have to knock ur oponent,it evaluates distance,gets to know ur oponent's style,keeps him guessing,keeps him away,and it opens the way to a combination.

Technique+speed (>) Power..because (maybe not in competitive martial arts)but on the street..If u know where to hit u dont have to hit that hard (Eyes,adams apple)..and by the way power comes from speed anyway because : (power)=(force)x(speed) like i mentionned..force is mucle mass and for the technique, it should be always fusioned with the speed.

[Thai Bri]

That would sound great but for the fact no one in Wing Chun can hit hard.

[white devil]

no kidding!!

thai bri dude..you need to give wing chun a break man!!its been like 100 posts u make againts wing chun even though u were explained by a+b that it is a freakin good effective respected and useful art.And wing chun practicioners do hit hard man what are u saying!how can u hit fast and not hard ?? geez im getting tired of ur replies

were u sexually assaulted by ur sifu when u studyed wing chun or what?

[muaythaiguy15]

Wow wow devil, harshness. I dont agree with bashing other styles. However, I do agree that MOST wing chun fighters dont hit that hard. I think Shard was right on with the tecnique power speed. However, I put them all equal. If you cant throw a punch, then power and speed wasted. If you cant throw a punch hard, speed and technique wasted. If you cant throw it fast, youll never hit. Its all equal.

[Thai Bri]

Nope, my instructor didn't molest me.

But he did try to slap me about a bit in class. I had barely 12 months training, and I slapped him back - at will.

T'is a fond memory.

[bbbb]

?

Does Power= Force * Speed?

Power= Work/time
Force = mass * acceleration
.....????????

?! You can't multiply two vector's together can you?!

[bbbb]

how do you train for speed and not power when power=force(x)speed
please explain..

and how does martial artist focus on power and never train for speed?
its like an elephant willing to chase a rabbit...by the way how do u get the fight started if u cant catch ur oponent?

What fight?

You have to ask yourself what power is!

[Thai Bri]

We get into real problems when we try to scientifically justify what we do.

Are we talking force? power? strength? etc. They are all different. Do we include weight or mass? They are different too. And how about speed or acceleration? They are also different to each other.

Pop along to the style you want to compare youraelf with and train with them. If it is striking prowess you want to test, you hit the pads and ask them to do it.

[bbbb]

ahem...

We get into real problems when we try to scientifically justify what we do.

Are we talking force? power? strength? etc. They are all different. Do we include weight or mass? They are different too. And how about speed or acceleration? They are also different to each other.

Pop along to the style you want to compare youraelf with and train with them. If it is striking prowess you want to test, you hit the pads and ask them to do it.

?what is the formula for strength again?

Science need's definition's, so it get's tricky when being vague!! Noted!