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I'm curious what styles you've studied and how long you have in them.
I've been practicing Hao Chuan daily since the early 60's and Iron Palm 3 times a day since the early 80's. Just wanted to know what other styles were represented, perhaps we can exchange some ideas.
Never studied any of the Chinese martial arts (yet).
The closest I've studied was a system called Tukong Musool (1 year) since there was no Hapkido (previous art at the time) where I was. The style borrowed from Chinese arts - ship pal gi (Korean version of northern praying mantis).
I used to practice Hung Chuan. When I got to the school there were many hard nosed athletes there, and we did full contact sparring under (more or less) san shou rules. As time went on the focus of the school shifted until it was really more about the forms and demo choreography. As more and more class time was spent preparing for demos we sparred less and less and the number of people who wanted to learn to fight dwindled until I didn't have enough sparring partners to justify training there any more. There were a lot of things that I liked about the system, but I do have my criticisms too. I think the system suffers from being too bloated. There were a lot of techniques that were useful, but there were also a lot that are (IMHO) very low percentage or just flat out a bad idea. There were even some things in the curriculum that our teacher told us point blank, you have to learn this, but don't ever try it if someone's is trying to hurt you. That combined with a lot of (mandatory) archaic weapons meant that the amount of time I spent working on things that were useful and relevant to fighting was a small percentage of my training time.
I did boxing and BJJ for 2 years but later I moved to Shaolin Kung Fu and Wing Tsun. MMA gave me a lot of fighting experience and I find those very useful in learning Wing Tsun and Shaolin Kung Fu. I find many Kung Fu martial artist lacks actual fighting experience. I recommad people taking boxing or BJJ first then move into actual Kung Fu. A lot of Kung Fu techniques is hard to apply but once you know how an actual fight works out "kung fu is amazing"
Bloat is definitely a good word for it. It seems everyone wanted to add their two cents worth to the classics, and then create a damn style to match their theories. Too much emphasis on martial dueling between people doing the exact same thing created far too many "special" techniques. The archaic weapons is another bummer I agree!! Originally you were required to learn a long weapon to teach you about footwork and a short weapon to train the hands...even that turned into 18 weapons..and those became 72 weapons.
That was a big part of my complaint. If I'm going to spend my (very precious) training time learning to use a weapon than I want it to be something I could realistically use if necessary, like a knife, a stick or a fire arm. I don't want to demonstate an ancient form, I want to be able to use the weapon against an opponent. If someone else wants to stay in shape by learning anciet weapon forms like spear, kwan Dao or broad sword than I say to each his own, but personally that's just not why I train.
You wouldn't happen to be in VA. would you? I studied Jow Ga in the early 80's when Sifu Lee was teaching in the back room of our School.
No, I train in Columbia, MD with Sifu Derek Johnson who was a student of Master Dean Chin who (I'm sure you know) brought Jow Ga to the U.S. along with Sifu Hoy Lee. *whew!*
No, I train in Columbia, MD with Sifu Derek Johnson who was a student of Master Dean Chin who (I'm sure you know) brought Jow Ga to the U.S. along with Sifu Hoy Lee. *whew!*
Sweet, good lineage and good people, WELCOME ABOARD. When they first came over there were a few closed door challenges that got pretty ugly for the challengers, I used to LOVE IT when Duncan or Sifu Lee said "lock the door."
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