Chang Dong Sheng video

[BoarSpear]

First off Mr Matt Furey, Mongolian Wrestling as it pertains to combatives that Charles Nelson taught was never a sport. If you bothered to read and learn something, you would have realized that before you mad an ass out of yourself. Boarspear was and has been speaking of MW in that context since it was brought up in this discussion.

I know you thought you'd bring up something that we don't know about because you drink sake and have smaller than average manhood, but that doesn't make you an authority on the arts as you know nothing about them. This is why you confine yourself to quips and goofy retorts.

Need proof? Would you like me to post your best bullshitting job up on this thread so everyone could see you struggle and flounder to answer a simple question? Please say yes.

If you continue to harrass and antagonize me, you'll only be further humiliated.

BWAHAHA I KNEW he'd go look it up and make a complete and utter fool of himself. Lets play his little game for a moment to show how hard he tries to act smart. Mongolian Wrestling...he is trying to claim is Boke. No, and he knows it isn't, its Mongolian wrestling we were diiscussing...Go to Mongolia and ask for Mongolian wrestling...they'll have NO idea what you mean because its called Boke....just like the we call Karate, Karate, not "empty hand" we also call Jujutsu, jujutsu, not "gentle yielding art...Taiji is called Taiji, not Ultimate supreme...but he needs to call Mongolian Wrestling Boke to try to look like he was even close to having an idea what we're discussing. As usual he is simply trying to interrupt discussion of Martial arts. I've made it clear time and time again and included a link to the thread explaining Chinese Mongolian Wrestling in this very thread but still he persist in being a troll.

[jubaji]

but, but, my T-shirt says so!

BWAHAHA I KNEW he'd go look it up and make a complete and utter fool of himself. Lets play his little game for a moment to show how hard he tries to act smart. Mongolian Wrestling...he is trying to claim is Boke. No, and he knows it isn't, its Mongolian wrestling we were diiscussing...Go to Mongolia and ask for Mongolian wrestling...they'll have NO idea what you mean because its called Boke....just like the we call Karate, Karate, not "empty hand" we also call Jujutsu, jujutsu, not "gentle yielding art...Taiji is called Taiji, not Ultimate supreme...but he needs to call Mongolian Wrestling Boke to try to look like he was even close to having an idea what we're discussing. As usual he is simply trying to interrupt discussion of Martial arts. I've made it clear time and time again and included a link to the thread explaining Chinese Mongolian Wrestling in this very thread but still he persist in being a troll.

Getting nervous? Feeling a little breeze?

I have discussed Mongolian wrestling with actual Mongolians frequently and at length, not some pony-tail wearing duffus in Colorado. Guess what they called it? Don't blame me if you hang yourself on labels you have chosen to throw around. Oh, maybe that's why you and pUke get along so well!

[jubaji]

If you continue to harrass and antagonize me, you'll only be further humiliated.

You are trying just so hard to talk yourself into believing what you need to. It was funny, but now its starting to become pitiful.

[Uke]

Jubaji can't stop being a troll anymore than he can stop being a buffoon. He is what he is. He shows up to make noise and be noticed, but once a discussion becomes technical he begins stuttering and his head begins to shrink like Beetlejuice. Then he hopes that his Sugar Daddy comes to the thread to save his ass because his pride has been kicked all over the place.

But being that neither of them know anything about this, we'll probably just continue to see jubajackass make an ass out of himself.

[jubaji]

"but the name sounded so cool before I had to be honest about it!"

Mongolian Wrestling as it pertains to combatives that Charles Nelson taught

Oh! Now the qualifications start! Could this be the start of some honesty from you and pony-tail? I doubt it.

[BoarSpear]

Jubaji can't stop being a troll anymore than he can stop being a buffoon. He is what he is. He shows up to make noise and be noticed, but once a discussion becomes technical he begins stuttering and his head begins to shrink like Beetlejuice. Then he hopes that his Sugar Daddy comes to the thread to save his ass because his pride has been kicked all over the place.

But being that neither of them know anything about this, we'll probably just continue to see jubajackass make an ass out of himself.

Its the way this board works, when someone posts something that upsets the status quo they either ignore the thread at all cost or jubaji comes in and trolls it until people get tired of reading his crap and the thread dies, its more than a pattern on this board, look around....it certainly would explain why posting news articles will bring the mods down on you but his constant homosexual fantasies on a family board are obviously condoned, plenty of places you can see them attacking me for posting articles...find one they complain about his homosexual themed posting style.

[jubaji]

Of course he looked it up. You know damn well he's never done it.

"looked it up"? The two of you still insist that this ancient Mongolian sport is some deep secret? And have I ever claimed to have competed in Mongolian Wrestling? I've wrestled Mongolians, but only under freestyle rules. You seem to be unable to resist making shit up and basing empty arguments on comments and claims that don't exist. You really should see someone about that.

[jubaji]

Talk about a pattern! Boring is crying and moaning like a little bitch and pUke is mindlessly repeating the same bullshit over and over to no effect.

That is a pattern alright!

[Uke]

"looked it up"? The two of you still insist that this ancient Mongolian sport is some deep secret? And have I ever claimed to have competed in Mongolian Wrestling? I've wrestled Mongolians, but only under freestyle rules. You seem to be unable to resist making shit up and basing empty arguments on comments and claims that don't exist. You really should see someone about that.

Hahahahahahahaha ... further proof of the fact that you're the biggest idiot here on this site.

I've wrestled Mongolians, but only under freestyle rules.

Hahahahahahahahaha ... oh man. This kid is a piece of work.

[BoarSpear]

Don't blame me if you hang yourself on labels you have chosen to throw around. Oh, maybe that's why you and pUke get along so well!

The closest way to describe Mongolian wrestling, Nelson explains, is stand-up grappling. An element that he demonstrates to all of his entering students is that when the assailant attacks you, you escape his hold and attack him back. "Another important aspect of the Chinese Mongolian Wrestling," Charlie stated, "is that there are only two ways of defending yourself counter-attack or attack. In the counterattack the defender pretends to yield, only to trap the assailant and set up a counter-attack."

Charlie has five main principles of Chinese Mongolian Wrestling:

1. Never take a fighting stance. Pretend to yield. Then attack suddenly without warning.

2. Never go to the ground.

3. A man's legs are his foundation. Take the foundation out from under him and he cannot stand to fight.

4. An assailant's arms are like the tiller of a ship. Control his arm and you control the direction of his power and his ability to attack.

5. Never place a restraining hold on an attacker without striking him first. Use edge-of-hand, open hand, heel-of-palm strikes to soften him up before attempting a wristlock or armlock.

When Charlie formally opened his Self Defense School and started teaching full time, he quit the New York Judo Academy. He helped Korean emigrants get a start by letting them teach Korean Karate and Tae Kwon Do at his school during the evening hours. Charlie also studied these techniques, working out counters and evasion moves to these various attacks.

The door to Charlie's school has always been open to anyone who wandered in off the street. He can teach anyone to defend themselves as long as they want to learn. Charlie's School of Self-Defense was possible the first martial arts school in the United States. I is definitely the first martial arts school solely dedicated to the teaching of simple, effective self-defense skills. At age 79 he still teaches anyone who wanders in off the street and this is no small testimonial in a city as ravaged by drugs, crime, and poverty as New York City. Charley has undoubtedly taught self-defense to more people over the years than any man alive.

Charlie's system has never been fully or systematically codified in books or on tapes. He states that only his long term students hold the true secrets of Mongolian Wrestling. This policy follows the martial arts tradition of handing down the art to truly deserving students and making sure that dangerous techniques are not taught to anti-social individuals. Charlie has a standard fifteen lesson course. Charlie has boiled down his system to the smallest number of techniques and moves; in this way the student does not have an extraordinary amount of techniques to learn. Charlie's philosophy is the simpler the better.

Charlie's genius is this Charlie has studied, over a lifetime, the typical fighting habits of the average American street fighter and mugger. He has developed a system of techniques that address the way a person would be attacked by an assailant. These techniques are interchangeable. A small number of principles to burn into muscle memory can carry the practitioner of "Chinese Mongolian Wrestling" through just about any violent conflict.

In teaching his system, Charlie follows sort of an oral tradition. Every one of his techniques comes with a story. He will relate how someone attacked him or one of his students, and then demonstrated in detail the attack and counter-attack. These stories put the techniques in context and make them easy to remember.

Charlie has been going strong for many years. He has taught men and women from all walks of life, from everyday citizens to police officers to well known martial artists, the latter remaining nameless by virtue of a mutual agreement with Charlie. He has taught famous individuals, including Donna Reed, Lou Reed, Robert Duvall, and Billy Squire. Everyone who has ever trained with him develops a greater understanding of the art of self-defense and the confidence to perform these skills on the street. The students owe all this valuable knowledge to the man who has dedicated his life to defending against the evil element of society. He has generously shared his life work with those who have been fortunate enough to have trained with him. He has been nicknamed the "Last American Master" and "Little Bigman", and his "No Touch System" evades the attack and strike method, rooted in Chinese Mongolian Wrestling will remain as the ultimate martial arts maneuver and the back-bone of The Charles Nelson Concept of Self Defense.
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http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=23530&highlight=Nelson

I've covered this numerous times, and UKE started the thread I stole this from... YOU know what I'm talking about, so apparently you have an investment in looking like an idiot who argues details or semantics since you haven't used any of your 6000 plus post to try and discuss the arts usage.

[BoarSpear]

Hahahahahahahaha ... further proof of the fact that you're the biggest idiot here on this site.



Hahahahahahahahaha ... oh man. This kid is a piece of work.

He's "wrestled Mongolians, but only under freestyle rules" dude...thats why he avoids speaking about anything because when he tries it's his funniest shit EVER.

[jubaji]

He's "wrestled Mongolians, but only under freestyle rules" .

That is the case. I have never competed in Mongolian Wrestling nor studied the 'self-defense' system that borrowed some techniques from the much, much, much older tradition of Mongolian Wrestling. Said system was developed by a guy from Brooklyn who it seems had never set foot in Mongolia. In his own words, the system he made up was a "method based on Mongolian wrestling techniques." It seems that he was more honest than you are willing to be. It also seems that he called his school/system the 'Charles Nelson School of Self-Defense,' or 'The Nelson System,' not 'Mongolian Wrestling.' Maybe you just thought it sounded cooler?


If you want to talk about the system that guy made up you should really take it to the Urban Street Combatives section rather than the CMA forum. I know how important to you it is to keep the forums clearly distinguised.

[jubaji]

You need to update your biographical information as well. The man passed away three + years ago. R.I.P.

[BoarSpear]

That is the case. I have never competed in Mongolian Wrestling nor studied the 'self-defense' system that borrowed some techniques from the much, much, much older tradition of Mongolian Wrestling. Said system was developed by a guy from Brooklyn who it seems had never set foot in Mongolia. In his own words, the system he made up was a "method based on Mongolian wrestling techniques." It seems that he was more honest than you are willing to be. It also seems that he called his school/system the 'Charles Nelson School of Self-Defense,' or 'The Nelson System,' not 'Mongolian Wrestling.' Maybe you just thought it sounded cooler?


If you want to talk about the system that guy made up you should really take it to the Urban Street Combatives section rather than the CMA forum. I know how important to you it is to keep the forums clearly distinguised.

When it was taught to Marines and in other other Combative systems it was ALWAYS called Mongolian Wrestling, to designate it was from the Chinese techniques as opposed to Combat Judo based on the JJJ techniques HAD YOU EVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT. Since this one is based on Mongolian Wrestling a forerunner to Gm Master Changs Shuai Jiao this thread and forum is exactly where it belongs. Since you're wrong about that too it seems the only thing here that doesn't belong is YOU, TROLL.

[jubaji]

When it was taught to Marines and in other other Combative systems it was ALWAYS called Mongolian Wrestling.

It doesn't seem that the guy who made it up appropriated that name for his system. Maybe he was a more honest person than you. (a low bar indeed)